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Yes, but America is more than an idea or set of values. Not saying that’s your position, but I see to many “conservative patriots” that have this position.

This is (or was) a predominantly white Christian country with a unique history, customs, culture, language, and traditions.

We need to fight to keep it that way the same way the Japanese fight for their nation, culture, language, traditions, and customs. One can’t simply believe in the idea of Japan and become Japanese.

HODL 6mo ago 💬 2

You’re partially right here and I agree that America isn’t just an idea, culture, heritage, and shared experience matter. But unlike Japan, America’s foundation was explicitly ideological: liberty, natural rights, self-governance etc…

We’ve always been a hybrid, part creed, part culture.

So yeah, preserving traditions matters, but so does understanding that what makes America unique is that its core identity can be shared across bloodlines if the ideals are truly embraced and lived out.

That doesn’t mean we don’t have a real culture worth protecting, but it does mean we’re not Japan, and we never were.

We’re something else entirely.

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DRE 6mo ago

Agreed

I didn’t mean to imply we weren’t different than Japan. I think our society lacks that clear sense of what makes us distinct from other places, unlike the Japanese. I hope we correct that fully and not just in the ideals category.

edouard 6mo ago

Yes France was more similar to Japan but changed the way it defined itself end of 18th and during 19th and 20th century becoming more idea/values less creed

This does not work though when you are not the most (or one of the most) powerful and wealthy countries in the world because values are only one part of why people want to be part of a new country, “winning” is a huge part too

Globe99 6mo ago 💬 1

I think American cultural identity is increasingly fragmented and tenuous. I think that the rise of the identitarian right has much to do with this.

At the height of the Cold war, there was an enemy to define ourselves in opposition to. We don't have that anymore, and now it's just a vast land expanse of people who share an increasingly tenuous common legal and moral framework.

Personally, as an anarcho-capitalist, I'm fine with letting go of "America" as a concept. Ideals of personal freedom and liberty are greater than just one nation. And increasingly I think Americans are going to have to choose between those ideals and "the nation."

HODL 6mo ago 💬 1

When I say America I mean the American people, land mass and ideals. I don’t mean the government.

DRE 6mo ago 💬 1

The American experiment and its amazing success cannot be separated from the type of people that built it (white European Christians). We can’t upload these ideals to Mexicans or Egyptians and expect to see the same results.

The ideals are not a secret, and the landmass is not magical. The day I see a Muslim or African country adopt these open-sourced ideals and become a superpower with equal freedom as the US, I will change my mind, but I don’t see that day coming.

The unpopular prescription few want to say out loud is that this country will succeed to the extent it remains or becomes more Christian and more white. Diversity is not our strength.

HODL 6mo ago 💬 1

Do you consider nick fuentes a white Christian nationalist?

DRE 6mo ago 💬 1

That’s more or less how he describes himself, so yes.

HODL 6mo ago 💬 2

I think that kind of shows that Mexicans can become “white” just like Italians and Irish before them

DRE 6mo ago

If they have kids with white people for enough generations then sure.

I should have said Europeans. European Christians build exceptional societies. I’m all for white European immigrants that have our values and are willing to assimilate.

DRE 6mo ago

Consider checking out his show if you haven’t already.

I regret not giving him a chance sooner.