Yes, but America is more than an idea or set of values. Not saying that’s your position, but I see to many “conservative patriots” that have this position.
This is (or was) a predominantly white Christian country with a unique history, customs, culture, language, and traditions.
We need to fight to keep it that way the same way the Japanese fight for their nation, culture, language, traditions, and customs. One can’t simply believe in the idea of Japan and become Japanese.
You’re partially right here and I agree that America isn’t just an idea, culture, heritage, and shared experience matter. But unlike Japan, America’s foundation was explicitly ideological: liberty, natural rights, self-governance etc…
We’ve always been a hybrid, part creed, part culture.
So yeah, preserving traditions matters, but so does understanding that what makes America unique is that its core identity can be shared across bloodlines if the ideals are truly embraced and lived out.
That doesn’t mean we don’t have a real culture worth protecting, but it does mean we’re not Japan, and we never were.
We’re something else entirely.
Agreed
I didn’t mean to imply we weren’t different than Japan. I think our society lacks that clear sense of what makes us distinct from other places, unlike the Japanese. I hope we correct that fully and not just in the ideals category.
Yes France was more similar to Japan but changed the way it defined itself end of 18th and during 19th and 20th century becoming more idea/values less creed
This does not work though when you are not the most (or one of the most) powerful and wealthy countries in the world because values are only one part of why people want to be part of a new country, “winning” is a huge part too
I think American cultural identity is increasingly fragmented and tenuous. I think that the rise of the identitarian right has much to do with this.
At the height of the Cold war, there was an enemy to define ourselves in opposition to. We don't have that anymore, and now it's just a vast land expanse of people who share an increasingly tenuous common legal and moral framework.
Personally, as an anarcho-capitalist, I'm fine with letting go of "America" as a concept. Ideals of personal freedom and liberty are greater than just one nation. And increasingly I think Americans are going to have to choose between those ideals and "the nation."
When I say America I mean the American people, land mass and ideals. I don’t mean the government.
The American experiment and its amazing success cannot be separated from the type of people that built it (white European Christians). We can’t upload these ideals to Mexicans or Egyptians and expect to see the same results.
The ideals are not a secret, and the landmass is not magical. The day I see a Muslim or African country adopt these open-sourced ideals and become a superpower with equal freedom as the US, I will change my mind, but I don’t see that day coming.
The unpopular prescription few want to say out loud is that this country will succeed to the extent it remains or becomes more Christian and more white. Diversity is not our strength.
Do you consider nick fuentes a white Christian nationalist?
That’s more or less how he describes himself, so yes.
I think that kind of shows that Mexicans can become “white” just like Italians and Irish before them
If they have kids with white people for enough generations then sure.
I should have said Europeans. European Christians build exceptional societies. I’m all for white European immigrants that have our values and are willing to assimilate.
Consider checking out his show if you haven’t already.
I regret not giving him a chance sooner.
"muhhh culture!!"
Where are your powdered wigs and pantaloons bro? Is that what you mean by "culture"?
And yes, Japan, like most other nations in the world that exist currently, were an outgrowth of century of a common ethnic culture and framework. (And even then it can be flaky -- are the Ainu "Japanese"?)
*Nowhere* in America is like that, unless you're living on a reservation. America is founded on the basis of ideas, not some shared ethnic heritage. That's a feature, not a bug.
No, obviously the people that founded this nation and later immigrants from Europe whose descendants have been here for many generations had and currently have a distinct culture. Just because a culture is younger than others it doesn’t diminish or negate the fact that there is one. To argue against that is absurd and retarded.
Equally absurd is to pretend America is just an idea. Its creation may have been inspired by ideas, but that’s not all there is to it. This was founded as a white Christian nation, and until recently that was predominantly the demographics.
The people that carry out an idea and vision matter a whole lot.
The people who founded this nation had no conception of what "white" or "Christian" meant in the context in which those words are used in America today. They would have thought of themselves (perhaps) as puritans, protestants, or whatever, and if they had a thought of race it would be "English" rather than "white."
Whiteness is a construct of the 20th century, particularly 20th century America. 100 years ago the elites of American society wouldn't have thought of themselves as "white" but rather "Anglo Saxon protestant" to distinguish themselves from the Catholic "other."
It's absurd to use a 20th century concept to categorize people 200 years ago who would have had no meaningful self-identification as such.
No need to be obtuse, you know what I meant.
But let me make it even clearer. Europeans that believed in Jesus Christ. Is that better?
"European who believed in Jesus Christ" also did the Crusades and Inquisition, not exactly shining moments for personal freedom and limited government.
Perfectly aware of the Crusades and inquisitions. We live in a fallen world. I never claimed European Christians were perfect. If you would rather live in a civilization built by Africans, Native Americans, Indians, etc., go ahead, doesn’t affect me.
