One thing I am exceptionally thankful for is that my father and grandfather both instilled in me the greatness of American ideals.
I know very explicitly what they are and what they are not.
And I will defend them.
The people who wish to bastardize and destroy America despise people like me.
Because we are the only thing standing in their way.
And we will continue to be.
This is our country.
What are they?
What are American ideals?
Yes
Liberty, individualism, impartial justice, people are the source of governmental power, meritocracy, freedom of association, property rights, frontier spirit, manifest destiny, moral exceptionalism, distrust of centralized power etc…
We haven’t had freedom of association for a long time…
What does liberty mean? Individualism?
Does impartial justice exist anymore?
Just because we aren’t living up to our ideals doesn’t mean they have ceased to be our ideals. Liberty and individualism broadly just mean self determination.
even if "individualism" meant those things once, which it didn't, but even if it did, the context of the european ethnos and culture from which it sprang are indispensible to its functioning properly.
in your new faggotry "multicultural" nightmare, your revered individualism amounts to you, isolated and politically impotent, getting your dick cut off and being left to bleed out in a piss-soaked alleyway, alone.
keys or no keys.
It's powerful to have such a clear understanding and strong connection to the ideals passed down through your family. Feeling that sense of duty to defend what you believe are the core American principles is a conviction many share deeply. Your commitment to those values, and your willingness to stand firm in their defense, resonates with a foundational aspect of American identity for a lot of people.
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Yes, but America is more than an idea or set of values. Not saying that’s your position, but I see to many “conservative patriots” that have this position.
This is (or was) a predominantly white Christian country with a unique history, customs, culture, language, and traditions.
We need to fight to keep it that way the same way the Japanese fight for their nation, culture, language, traditions, and customs. One can’t simply believe in the idea of Japan and become Japanese.
You’re partially right here and I agree that America isn’t just an idea, culture, heritage, and shared experience matter. But unlike Japan, America’s foundation was explicitly ideological: liberty, natural rights, self-governance etc…
We’ve always been a hybrid, part creed, part culture.
So yeah, preserving traditions matters, but so does understanding that what makes America unique is that its core identity can be shared across bloodlines if the ideals are truly embraced and lived out.
That doesn’t mean we don’t have a real culture worth protecting, but it does mean we’re not Japan, and we never were.
We’re something else entirely.
Agreed
I didn’t mean to imply we weren’t different than Japan. I think our society lacks that clear sense of what makes us distinct from other places, unlike the Japanese. I hope we correct that fully and not just in the ideals category.
Yes France was more similar to Japan but changed the way it defined itself end of 18th and during 19th and 20th century becoming more idea/values less creed
This does not work though when you are not the most (or one of the most) powerful and wealthy countries in the world because values are only one part of why people want to be part of a new country, “winning” is a huge part too
I think American cultural identity is increasingly fragmented and tenuous. I think that the rise of the identitarian right has much to do with this.
At the height of the Cold war, there was an enemy to define ourselves in opposition to. We don't have that anymore, and now it's just a vast land expanse of people who share an increasingly tenuous common legal and moral framework.
Personally, as an anarcho-capitalist, I'm fine with letting go of "America" as a concept. Ideals of personal freedom and liberty are greater than just one nation. And increasingly I think Americans are going to have to choose between those ideals and "the nation."
When I say America I mean the American people, land mass and ideals. I don’t mean the government.
The American experiment and its amazing success cannot be separated from the type of people that built it (white European Christians). We can’t upload these ideals to Mexicans or Egyptians and expect to see the same results.
The ideals are not a secret, and the landmass is not magical. The day I see a Muslim or African country adopt these open-sourced ideals and become a superpower with equal freedom as the US, I will change my mind, but I don’t see that day coming.
The unpopular prescription few want to say out loud is that this country will succeed to the extent it remains or becomes more Christian and more white. Diversity is not our strength.
Do you consider nick fuentes a white Christian nationalist?
That’s more or less how he describes himself, so yes.
I think that kind of shows that Mexicans can become “white” just like Italians and Irish before them
If they have kids with white people for enough generations then sure.
I should have said Europeans. European Christians build exceptional societies. I’m all for white European immigrants that have our values and are willing to assimilate.
Consider checking out his show if you haven’t already.
I regret not giving him a chance sooner.
"muhhh culture!!"
Where are your powdered wigs and pantaloons bro? Is that what you mean by "culture"?
And yes, Japan, like most other nations in the world that exist currently, were an outgrowth of century of a common ethnic culture and framework. (And even then it can be flaky -- are the Ainu "Japanese"?)
*Nowhere* in America is like that, unless you're living on a reservation. America is founded on the basis of ideas, not some shared ethnic heritage. That's a feature, not a bug.
No, obviously the people that founded this nation and later immigrants from Europe whose descendants have been here for many generations had and currently have a distinct culture. Just because a culture is younger than others it doesn’t diminish or negate the fact that there is one. To argue against that is absurd and retarded.
Equally absurd is to pretend America is just an idea. Its creation may have been inspired by ideas, but that’s not all there is to it. This was founded as a white Christian nation, and until recently that was predominantly the demographics.
The people that carry out an idea and vision matter a whole lot.
The people who founded this nation had no conception of what "white" or "Christian" meant in the context in which those words are used in America today. They would have thought of themselves (perhaps) as puritans, protestants, or whatever, and if they had a thought of race it would be "English" rather than "white."
Whiteness is a construct of the 20th century, particularly 20th century America. 100 years ago the elites of American society wouldn't have thought of themselves as "white" but rather "Anglo Saxon protestant" to distinguish themselves from the Catholic "other."
It's absurd to use a 20th century concept to categorize people 200 years ago who would have had no meaningful self-identification as such.
No need to be obtuse, you know what I meant.
But let me make it even clearer. Europeans that believed in Jesus Christ. Is that better?
"European who believed in Jesus Christ" also did the Crusades and Inquisition, not exactly shining moments for personal freedom and limited government.
Perfectly aware of the Crusades and inquisitions. We live in a fallen world. I never claimed European Christians were perfect. If you would rather live in a civilization built by Africans, Native Americans, Indians, etc., go ahead, doesn’t affect me.
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Immigration numbers suggest otherwise
Immigrants will be assimilated eventually. Been true of every other immigration wave. Italians were the Mexicans of the 20th century. Irish of the19th century. Germans in the 18th century.
I myself am from Irish peasant stock.
This is how we were once depicted, as drunken retard buffoons hell bent on destroying society and ruled and controlled by a shadow dictator in Rome.
We are Americans now. Through and through.
Western European migration is much different than airdropping 50 thousand Somalis into Minnesota and letting them live off the government
Agreed. We need a moratorium on immigration for 25-30 years minimum right now.
Who are you to decide who can and cannot engage in consensual economic transactions?
If I want to hire a foreigner to work for me, who are you to say that I can't do that?
Economic transaction is different than citizenship.
You said "moratorium on immigration." Not being allowed to immigrate would presumably preclude many kinds of work, would it not?
There’s enough people here. Pick from the labor pool at your disposal.
"There are enough American fruits. Why would you want a Mexican avocado?"
"We have high-fructose corn syrup. Why would you want Canadian maple syrup?"
That's called "central economic planning."
Not analogous
?? distinction without a difference. They're both trade barriers. They're both restrictions on the right of people to freely trade.
are you seriously arguing that there is no part of the American job market that has shortages that immigrants could (and in reality do) fill?
Yes that’s what I’m arguing.
What jobs can Americans not do?
It's not a matter of "can't", but won't. Labor shortages exist in a variety of industries.
Many Americans are wealthy enough (or able to live off welfare programs that are FAR more available to them than immigrants) not to have to take low-skilled, labor intensive jobs. This is where immigrants fill the gap.
I don't even know if there *are* enough Americans to fill jobs in and farm labor, hospitality, restaurants, etc etc
Agreed the reason Americans don’t want these jobs is because they can scam their way into similar wages through government assistance. The solution isn’t open borders and ruin national cohesion it’s stop printing money so able bodied people can sit at home
But even absent government, given the relative wealth of Americans, if we shut the border tomorrow as you people seem to want, there are a bunch of jobs that would *simply go unfilled.*
Who's going to pick strawberries in the hot Watsonville sun for 50 hours a week? Or scrub the toilets of Miami nightclubs every Friday night at 3 AM after closing time?
You think Bubba Joe MAGA is taking those jobs? F to the no.
I highly doubt able bodied people would sit around and starve if their government assistance disappeared tomorrow
But that's not the point. They aren't going to starve. It's a wealthy country, and proportionally, relative to people in other parts of the world, more of them can mooch off of friends, live off of family savings, etc etc.
The point is that *proportionally", at all income levels, Americans are much wealthier than immigrants from Central or South American countries. And I think most quantitative labor economic studies back me up on this point, that there simply aren't enough Americans willing to work the kind of hardback-breaking jobs that immigrants are doing right now.
I’d say you’re overestimating how many who live on government assistance have some fall back plan lol these people don’t just have wealthy friends/family. Odds are everyone they associate with is doing the same leeching
Did they actually drop them out of planes? No chutes? That's crazy!!!
The hate towards Irish and Italian immigration a century ago used exactly the same language as today. That they were completely foreign, alien, and would irrevocably change our society.
It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
And I'm not aware of any evidence that Somalis in Minnesota use public services at disproportionately higher rates than native-born Americans. If it's a problem for them to "live off the government" why isn't it a problem for native-born Americans to do the same thing?
If you won’t admit importing people from a 3rd world Islamic country is different than European Christian nations then there’s no reason to have this convo.
Also if you need evidence people from the 3rd world aren’t exactly fit to contribute to our society and would need government assistance then you’re just being dishonest with yourself. Also never said it isn’t a problem that we already have so many Americans living off the government
hell yeah my family came from Italy in the 1900s 🇮🇹🇺🇸
amen
This is the way! In America we don’t have political leaders, we are the leaders. Therefore, we don’t need permission to do the right thing.
When you say “Because we are the only thing standing in their way “, the “they” you are referring to is the US Federal government, the Federal Reserve, corporate news media/social media and US defence contractors, right? “The enemy within” in the west appears to be the greatest threat to our quality of life at the moment.
Yep
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is the IMF pro America or anti-america then?
as an Argentine here in Argentina it's seen as a tool for US supremacy over developing countries.
I defend them and lead the charge !
