I absolutely agree with the general ethos behind your post.

A lot of people have been convinced that children are a hindrance to happiness. Without a doubt I think it's important to reject that inherently anti-human narrative.

At the same time, telling other people what is best for them can only stem from arrogance. We never know what someone else's experience has been.

For example, I listened to a podcast recently where a minister and his wife had upwards of five miscarriages. I don't remember the exact number, but I'm sure you could imagine how traumatic that was.

I could never force you to empathize with anyone, and wouldn't want to, but making claims about universal truth aren't as simple as opposing prevailing negatives.

In some cases these types of statements can cause more harm than good, if you care 🤙

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Assuming children wouldn’t be a transformative experience in someone’s life is also arrogance

I'm sure many of your replies are making that claim. I have not read them, or made that claim.

i feel like it’s not that complicated

Arrogance is assuming that everyone is ready to be a good parent. People who aren't ready maybe shouldn't have children.

In your framework, the well-being of the child does not seem to matter at all; only the enjoyment of the parents is what matters. Maybe buy a pet instead.

What’s a good parent in your opinion?

I think that's like asking to give a precise definition of sea water. It's difficult, but virtually everyone can tell apart sea water from fresh water in a blind tasting.

In the negative, I'd say a good parent is someone who isn't self-centered and doesn't humiliate his child because of his own insecurities. Someone who doesn't make his child doubt himself.

I used to believe that an acceptable parent was just someone who didn't physically abuse his child and provided food, shelter, clothing and schooling. Now I know that's not enough.

The children of openly alcoholic, drug addict, physically abusive parents are "lucky" (in a very twisted way, of course), because when they share their experience most people will understand and empathize.

But the true "genius" is when you can humiliate, ridicule, exploit and psychologically abuse your child without overstepping the socially acceptable boundary. Achieving that "sweet point" where you can maximize the abuse and the damage while maximizing the deniability. Because when the child talks about it, everyone around will just shrug and say that it was a joke, that it was nothing, that it was the child's fault, that maybe the child didn't perceive it accurately, that that's the way things are, that it's impossible because your parents love you dearly... The true "genius" is getting away with as much abuse as you can and making your child believe that it's his own fault or that it's for his own good.

i grew uP w/my kids who taught me A lesson>