It really is funny how triggered people get by me telling them to have children.
Itâs still going on in my mentions lol
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If you get offended by being told to have children then your not stacking hard enough!
Tell that to people who are sterile or abuse victims.
Broad brush statements like the one HODL originally made are ignorant of nuance and unique circumstances.
One size fits all is bullshit.
If you don't get that, you haven't studied Austrian economics hard enough.
Lots of crazies. Better they don't lol.
Yeah...people like Isaac Newton, Nikola Tesla, Immanuel Kant, Jean-Paul Sartre, Rosa Parks, and Susan B. Anthony were crazy.
In fact, the trailer park mom on food stamps with 7 kids and 7 baby daddies is going to have a much more positive impact on the world.
Y'all are dumb fucks. Learn to parse nuance.
People think theyâre above having children. That itâs some primitive urge that civilized people donât engage in. I used to be one of those people, but now have a 3rd on the way.
đ Apparently just saying âhave kidsâ can shake the world!
I hope some day HODL says that to the face of a veteran who was wounded in combat and, as a result, cannot have children. I hope that veteran stabs HODL in the dick.
Is there anything better in life than having little people who just love hanging out with you!? Family First!
Yes. Achieving something world changing is better than that.
The bliss of enlightenment is better than that.
Pioneering new concepts in science or mathematics is better than that.
Impacting the lives of billions of people in positive ways is far better a feeling than having ignorant people stroke your ego.
No... No it's not. Having Children IS world changing. You know what all those great inventors had? Parents. If their parents thought like you, they wouldn't have ever existed.
"Marriage and family is essential for a full and happy life."
This is the original claim and it is false.
He doesnât have the eyes to see. He thinks outside material possessions is the key to happiness and fulfillment. This is a result of not knowing who we are at a soul levelâŚgoing within to find wholeness. I suggest surrender. He will not see what you see.
đ It's like telling cats to act like wolves.
The culture of death around us cannot comprehend it. It is insanity how much hate big families get
That's not how this went down.
HODL was the aggressor firing shots at people who aren't married and don't have children.
His statements are willfully ignorant of the unique conditions that each individual on this earth is challenged by in their lives.
Some people literally cannot have children. Others have been traumatized by life experiences and have no desire to go down that path.
HODL is trying to validate his own life choices, which is fine, but he's doing so in an absolutist kind of way that throws shade on a lot of people who don't deserve to be treated that way. That makes HODL an asshole.
lol youâre such a pussy
I'm going to send some wounded veterans who cannot have children as a result of their wounds to every conference you attend.
Deal with that, pussy.
I would ask what has you so triggered but I honestly donât care.
You're abusing your reach to push generalities as absolutes.
Communicate more precisely.
Heâs easily triggered, but your doubling down on not recognizing exceptions seems to indicate you are in good company.
It indicates he's a callous ass.
It indicates that I understand the Golden Rule.
Do you think it may be a bit of first person syndrome? It's easy to get when you gain in popularity. It's like the force that acts against the golden rule because the popularity is encumbering. It clouds the mind and you can't see past your own perspective because of the incentives involved.
I think I get the concept you're putting forth with the phrase "first person syndrome".
I'm thinking that means something like "main character syndrome" where the person sees themselves as the protagonist of their own life, often to the detriment of others. They have a lack of empathy, attention-seeking tendencies, self-centered behavior, and often view others as supporting cast members in their personal "movie". Key signs include an inflated sense of self, a constant need for attention, and an inability to see situations from other people's perspectives.
There's a hedonic treadmill component at play compelling him to seek validation.
He has a hole in his life and he feels like he shouldn't because of how successful he's been. I wouldn't be shocked to discover that he's an alcoholic.
I used to not want kids, now they are my everything. 𼰠I donât think you get the full life experience without them.
As a mother Ima grateful to be a mother and they will always be my best creation. However, Iâve known many who are fulfilled without having children. No one should ever feel one way is better than the other. My opinion only. Hugs đŤ
Isaac Newton didn't have kids.
Nikola Tesla didn't have kids.
Immanuel Kant didn't have kids.
Jean-Paul Sartre didn't have kids.
Susan B. Anthony didn't have kids.
Rosa Parks didn't have kids.
Did they not get the full life experience?
Who will change the world more, those individuals, or some trailer park mom on food stamps with 7 babies and 7 baby daddies?
It's not a one size fits all thing. Libertarians and Austrian economists should really understand that, and I'm sure HODL does...he's just choosing to harbor cognitive dissonance because he seems to be in need of validation because he has a hole in his life he doesn't know how to fill.
The trailer park mom. If no one is here to see their discoveries then what's the point.
Your holding up Marxist Jean-Paul Sarte, and Emmanuel Kant, who's philosophical ideology is considred to be the basis for which Marxism is built on? You think those people did good for humanity? Are you nuts?
Should've know the person pushing back most against having kids is a teacher of the Marxist religion. This is what is in your schools people ... indoctrinating your kids with their religion that claims, "It's not Marxism, it's not a religion."
None of those people you mentioned had a full life experience.
It's your life, do what you want
That said, I highly recommend having kids. Adopt if you have to. You'll thank us later.
First, Kant was NOT a Marxist.
Kant was notable for his contributions to the philosophy of ethics, namely deontology which is a valid lens through which to view events. Intent is part of the equation. It's not the whole equation but it is a part of it. That's why manslaughter is a different charge than homicide.
Sartre became a Marxist, that's true. Also, I never claimed to agree with his philosophy, so that's a strawman on your part. You're making ASSumptions.
Another strawman is stating that I'm against having children. That's not my position.
I'm saying that HODL's original claim, "Marriage and family is essential for a full and happy life", is a false claim.
Try again.
Idgaf if people have kids or not. Their decision. But I'd be rooting for bitcoiners to have kids, personally.
All that to say what I really came to say... What if that trailer park mom birthed Issac, Nikola, or Rosa? đ¤
No they did not. Just as I have not either because I havenât been sky diving, to the North Pole, created inventions or a million other things.
Having kids is however, a life experience that will teach you lessons faster than anything else, in my opinion.
Iâm not saying I am a superior human because of it, which it sounds like you are assuming.
And we would first need to establish parameters on how to measure âchanging the world moreâ before deciding who changes the world more.
Sounds like you havenât reproducedâŚyet. đ§Ą
Happiness is subjective.
As a ridiculously obvious example, I present masochism for consideration.
I'm not a masochist but I know they exist and what makes them happy is the complete fucking opposite of what makes most people happy.
One size fits all is bullshit.
I didn't want kids for 30 years. Got a vasectomy to make sure of it.
Met the right woman and had to get two reversals to make it happen. Now we have two! Having children is the absolute best choice we ever made.
For every person that says they hate seeing children there are the countless silent ones who wish theyâd had kids, OR more likely, werenât able to. This is very real and has been the case with couples close to us.
We have been down the foster/adoption journey (like others here Iâm sure) but the real point is in the absolute awe of the Creation. It is a gift to bear children, to recreate in the way God has given us to.
Now then, the stewardship of that gift comes with a LOT of responsibility and difficulty adjustments. Let us stay humble for we are mere grasshoppers at stewarding this thing called family. Anyone who says theyâve got this hasnât been humbled enough.
I love seeing large families, mostly. Our children say a lot about us, before any words are spoken. #proofofwork
Letâs all just keep doing our absolute best for them.
Just 2 sats.
Going to keep doing my best over here at Bitcoin Generations for the grand kids and their grandkids (someday) â¤ď¸
Itâs because they are mentally ill.
Ignore them. They know not what they miss.
Itâs probably the same sort of people who think itâs ok to transition minors to âsave the trans kidsâđ
All for people having kids just thought of this
Have babies. Do it early.
If youâre already old, convince your kids to do it early. Make it clear youâll help. And actually help, donât just give lots of gifts.
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Get a vasectomy. See the issue.
A person doesnât fully grow up until they have kids. Life without kids is easy mode. But beating a game on easy mode is not as fulfilling as beating it on expert mode.
People donât like being confronted with their failures.
Some people are unable to afford children, to play devil's advocate here. Part of this is something to do with sterilization through endocrine disruptors (like polyester), genital mutilation, chemical castration, etc.
most non-parents I know would have made such better parents than the parents I know.
Funny how life works that way.
This is a big part of the problem.
Most of the people who should be breeding, the responsible mature people who aren't just living for the moment are the people not breeding.
I'm triggered by your desire for us to have just one or two kids instead of four or more. We have to replace not only ourselves, but also the government's slave morons.
Children are the ultimate paradox. They simultaneously destroy your ego and reconstruct your soul.
Theyâre the hardest challenge youâll never want to quit, a relentless dismantling of who you thought you were, and a revelation of who youâre capable of becoming.
The ROI? Immeasurable. The cost? Everything you thought mattered.
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You can make intention to have kids but its ultimately out of your hands but ya but can try your best đ
People are crazy man. Kids are a blessing
âChildren are not a distraction from more important work. They are the most important work.â â C. S. Lewis
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You seem to harbor a misrepresentation of my position.
I'm not against marriage, children, or family.
I used to teach children math and critical thinking.
I applied the Golden Rule by neurologically profiling each student and then tailoring my approach to each individual in order to provide the highest possible service I could.
The original claim HODL made was that "Marriage and family is essential for a full and happy life."
That claim is false.
My wife and I are beyond our childbearing years but we still try for more. I ainât no quitter, and open to a miracle. đđ
I wonât be having any more as I shoot dust but Iâll keep practicing just for you.
I absolutely agree with the general ethos behind your post.
A lot of people have been convinced that children are a hindrance to happiness. Without a doubt I think it's important to reject that inherently anti-human narrative.
At the same time, telling other people what is best for them can only stem from arrogance. We never know what someone else's experience has been.
For example, I listened to a podcast recently where a minister and his wife had upwards of five miscarriages. I don't remember the exact number, but I'm sure you could imagine how traumatic that was.
I could never force you to empathize with anyone, and wouldn't want to, but making claims about universal truth aren't as simple as opposing prevailing negatives.
In some cases these types of statements can cause more harm than good, if you care đ¤
Assuming children wouldnât be a transformative experience in someoneâs life is also arrogance
I'm sure many of your replies are making that claim. I have not read them, or made that claim.
i feel like itâs not that complicated
Arrogance is assuming that everyone is ready to be a good parent. People who aren't ready maybe shouldn't have children.
In your framework, the well-being of the child does not seem to matter at all; only the enjoyment of the parents is what matters. Maybe buy a pet instead.
Whatâs a good parent in your opinion?
I think that's like asking to give a precise definition of sea water. It's difficult, but virtually everyone can tell apart sea water from fresh water in a blind tasting.
In the negative, I'd say a good parent is someone who isn't self-centered and doesn't humiliate his child because of his own insecurities. Someone who doesn't make his child doubt himself.
I used to believe that an acceptable parent was just someone who didn't physically abuse his child and provided food, shelter, clothing and schooling. Now I know that's not enough.
The children of openly alcoholic, drug addict, physically abusive parents are "lucky" (in a very twisted way, of course), because when they share their experience most people will understand and empathize.
But the true "genius" is when you can humiliate, ridicule, exploit and psychologically abuse your child without overstepping the socially acceptable boundary. Achieving that "sweet point" where you can maximize the abuse and the damage while maximizing the deniability. Because when the child talks about it, everyone around will just shrug and say that it was a joke, that it was nothing, that it was the child's fault, that maybe the child didn't perceive it accurately, that that's the way things are, that it's impossible because your parents love you dearly... The true "genius" is getting away with as much abuse as you can and making your child believe that it's his own fault or that it's for his own good.
Was with someone when I was younger who couldnât have kids due to rare genetic disease, and convinced myself at the time that it wouldnât bother me.
Sitting here now with my 2yo son asleep on my arm and another one on the way, and Iâm thankful every single day that it didnât turn out that way.
đ letâs be upfront honest & to the point: people without children cannot know what theyâre missing in life. No knowing without doing đ¤
People usually get triggered when you hit a nerve. Deep inside they know you're right but over reacting is a lower energy consuming behaviour that actually thinking about it.
Deep down they know, and that is why it bothered them. Remember, ladies, it becomes significantly harder to have kids after 35, and thatâs a regret you can never changeâsomething to really think about. Everyone's life is their choice, which also means taking personal responsibility for the decisions they make. Just make sure they are your decisions, and not someone else's, like those pushing feminism on you, etc.
I think itâs triggering because the statement makes them come to terms with their selfishness and self centerednessâŚ. Which is not compatible with raising healthy children
You want to trigger people? Tell them capitalism will cannibalize itself, itâs the worst at resource allocation, and a more social cohesiveness is the next step in human economic evolution.
I've never wanted to have kids until I know Bitcoin.
â Children (three of them)
Ya I felt the same way before my wife got pregnant. The truth is hard to hear.
3 children minimum.
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if you do not have children, you will die alone.
âSexbots, hold my beer!â
What if you because a commercial airline pilot? Don't have to die alone then
If you have children, you will die alone.
How do you figure?
Everyone dies alone. If you have children, you will probably have more joy and connection in life. There are a few exceptions â I met an enliightened Buddhist monk (the real deal), and he was doing way better than anyone â but vast majority of humans (and he even admitted himself) would be better off having kids, something thatâs obvious once you have kids.
There is a minority of miserable people who probably should not have kids for the sake of the kids.
I do not think of dying in the company of my family as dying alone. Dying alone is dying alone, with some nurse who may feign sympathy but deep down doesnât care and will scarf a burrito in the next room as youâre gasping for air. Thatâs dying alone.
Congrats if that happens to you YOU will be lucky. In my lifetime I have known dozens of parents, friends, relatives that had multiple children happy lives and just simply died alone. Lots of ways to go in this world and you don't always conveniently check out in a nursing home or at your own home surrounded by close family like in the movies. More than the other way around i am afraid imo. I literally have no idea how many kids i may have I was single in the 80's and 90's with my own pad. So theres that.
Right, you *might* be surrounded by family, but if you go without warning (which is preferable IMO), low chance youâll have family around at that very moment. And either way, they canât come with you.
Ideal is youâre 95, had the grandkids/great grandkids out at the country house, played with them, had a BBQ, went up to your room and just didnât wake up the next morning. Died alone in bed after a full day with family.
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We live in bizarro world
People react strongly to the idea of having children because it touches the core of existence, our responsibility to life, the legacy we leave, and the fears we carry about the future. Itâs not about the message, itâs about confronting our own choices and mortality.
Have kids, teach them good values, and shield them from state propaganda.
Yeah I don't think everyone should have kids but I will say if you want to have kids do not wait, kids are honestly cheap to feed etc. the clothing is expensive but you don't need a bunch of money or whatever, have them young while you've actually got the energy to raise them, to run around and play to teach them things.
Honestly I think people should have kids when they are still living with their parents, so the grandparents can help and also get to build connection with the kids.
Like 16-21 is the best age to become a parent.
Dude, stop playing dumb đ I know that YOU know it was the way you said it. You said it in the style of Andrew Tate when he says things by speaking in absolutes. Thinking things are super black and white like that is retarded
Epigeneticly speaking, people who do not have children can still have a huge positive effect on our populations.
On a large scale our population most likely controls itself, in relation to the carrying capacity of the physical and psychological environments we occupy.
Human productivity growth is based on the size of our population which has achieved some basic standard of living.
It could be possible there is a population sink that can form, where the population growth is greater than productivity grows the region's carrying capacity. Keeping people perpetually stuck in poverty and those who would normally stay improving standard of living find it easier to leave.
As parents we should guarantee the basic necessities so our children can start out standing on our shoulders not our feet.
This is the process of exponential growth fiat as stolen. In most families today the children are being born at the same or less standard of living than the parents generation. Forced to focus on smaller problems not greater.
Obviously bitcoin fixes this but even more.
Bitcoins effect on population very interesting topic.
Children are a fundamental good, given by the Word of Christ from the beginning of creation.
Utilitatarians and selfish will not understand this.
Becoming a parent takes a person, if they are willing, to a higher level of maturity and fun.
Hodl, you are soul possessing your body. Your children are 'part of your bod'y' , but not of your soul. Maybe those souls have nothing to do with you.
But, if you think that this reality is 'the thing' then go for it. And that is ok. Step by step...