I am not rejoicing. You are falsely accusing an entire nation of “terrorism”, when they are defending themselves against jihadist terrorists sending suicide bombers, shooting missiles, and opening fire from the middle of food lineups. Are you a jihadist, or just a regular antisemite?
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I am not accusing an entire nation of terrorism. I am accusing Jewish Terrorists of terrorism. You, on the other hand, are conflating innocent people with terrorists and cheering on their slaughter.
Not cheering at all. It is an absolute tragedy. But I’m not going to blame the victims of the attack by religious maniacs, like you are. It seems to satisfy your bigotry toward Jews, and fits either an absolute ignorance of the ideology of jihadism, or perhaps, your participation in it.
Fact: if Hamas were to disarm tomorrow, there would be peace in Gaza. If Israel were ever to disarm, they would be slaughtered.
Fact: Israel has been terrorizing Palestinians and neighboring countries for 70 years. Those liars are not going to suddenly stop if Hamas disarms. Why are you defending them so hard and spewing their propaganda? Are you a Jewish Supremacist, or if you are not a Jew, then a compliant manipulated goyim?
Do you think the Jews should be allowed to live in peace? You sound like a jihadist.
Yes, of course they should be allowed to live in peace. Your tired comments like that have no weight here. When you are bombing your neighbors, false flag terrorizing other countries, comitting genocide and ethnic cleansing, enforcing institutional apartheid, blackmailing politicians of other countries by running a human trafficking network, I could go on, then expect some people to dislike you.
Something like 85% of Jews in Israel approve of the genocide, and don't consider the targets to be human. Similar to what you said earlier in summary. You are probably Hasbara scum but your arguments have to stand on their own here, and they will get destroyed. You guys are fresh out of tricks.
Most of that is retarded online conspiracy theory bullshit, probably spread by islamo-fascists. What you fail to acknowledge is that hamas and their backers planned for this, they engineered the situation for maximum human casualties. Listen to what they themselves say, over and over: that they love death, they really believe in martyrdom, and they would carry out the atrocities of Oct. 7th again if they could. So they keep attacking and running into crowded areas, knowing there will be retaliation and the death of innocents, which they use in the media to recruit useful idiots like yourself, utterly morally confused about who started the war, and who continues to wage it.
I have no religious affiliation and don’t even know what some of those terms mean. I also have no connection to Israel other than sharing their western liberal democratic values. I stand on the side of civilization, not theocratic fascism and medieval barbarism.
You have so much hostility and criticism of Israel, but what is your solution to the conflict? How should they respond to the dual genocidal-suicidal threat they face? Should Israel just accept that missiles are randomly going to reign down on their neighborhoods, and live under the threat of another Oct. 7th?
I don’t think they should. IMO, they have a responsibility to achieve security for their people. The war is awful and I wish it would stop, but these lunatics keep attacking and issuing threats, and refuse to disarm. All the while, claiming to love death. So WTF do you expect Israel to do??
While you ponder your answer, imagine that your daughter was among those gang raped and mutilated to death on October 7. Or your son held hostage by the people who did that, for years in Gaza, his body still not recovered. Or your grandparents burned alive in their home.
What's in it for you to defend Israel so much? Not knowing what those words mean means you don't know what kind of deceit you are buying into, hook, line and sinker.
Imagine if it was your daughter or son shot in the head by an IDF terrorist? They aim for the head. What are they supposed to do? Why do you care? Maybe they should stop terrorizing the region as they have been for the past 80 years.
You don't believe me because you put ypur blindfolds on whenever the daily atrocities instigated by Jewish Terrorists are posted on nostr. It is literally in front of your eyes and you can't see it.
Because I think you’re full of shit. It is you who have been propagandized by radical islam.
If you believe that the Jews have a right to live in peace, then answer the question: how should they defend against the suicidal, genocidal, threat from radical Islam? What would be an acceptable way to stop the missile attacks and future barbaric rape, torture, and murder incursions?
You are asking the wrong question because you have it backwards. The Jews are the aggressors.
You have to be some kind of radical anti-semite to believe that backwards bullshit. The jihadists aim has always been the annihilation of the Jews. This is what they say, and their actions support their words. The jihadists started the war on October 7th. Israel will end it, by any means necessary.
1) making October 7th the start of this is to ignore the previous 80(?) years.
2) You’ve missed out the bit about Israel funding hamas…
The whole world funded Hamas. When was radical Islam’s goal not the annihilation of Israel?
So you’re not denying Israel funded hamas?
If so, got to ask yourself why you would provide funding to someone you know hates you?
Humanitarian grounds. My country, and probably yours, and most developed countries, sent money to Hamas to help the beleaguered Palestinians. Hamas is the elected government. Very little of the money actually made it to the people, because those pieces of shit used the money for building tunnels, stockpiling weapons, and paying the families of suicide bombers.
And yes, I heard that Bibi turned a blind eye to all of this, probably daring them to strike, so he could strike back in the manner that he did. Disgusting. Yet still, the jihadists made the bed they now lie in.
In the UK the government has an approval rating of less than 20%.
Imagine something similar happening between the UK (representing Hamas) and the US (representing Israel).
Do you think every person in the UK deserves to die even though 50% didn’t vote for that government and 80% now don’t approve of them?
Once Hamas we’re in power how easy do you think it would have been for the Palestinians to remove them if they wanted to? I suspect not very.
What about the children who were not even born when Hamas was voted in? Are they also complicit and deserve to die.
All of this is not even touching on the fact that Isreal was land taken from the Palestinians without their consent.
They don’t “deserve to die”. It’s difficult for the western mind to comprehend what belief in martyrdom actually means, but it is the reason that suicide bombers are almost always of the same religion. Christians don’t do that, generally. Hamas, and their Iranian jihadist backers, engineered Gaza to maximize the number of martyrs after they started the war with Israel. It is why, when Israel warns the Palestinians to leave an area before bombing, Hamas shoots at them. It is why they hide under playgrounds, hospitals, and schools. When they say, “we love death more than you love life”, they mean it. They know that when Israel attacks, and civilians die, they win on two fronts: more martyrs in paradise (which is much better than this world), and they can use the death and destruction as a PR tool in their sympathy campaign to raise money and turn the world against Israel, gain power and influence, and spread their awful religion.
What would you do, to fight an enemy that wants to die, wants it’s people to die, and wants to rape, torture, and kill you and all of your countrymen? What would your solution to jihadism be, if you were surrounded by them, taking rocket attacks and suicide bombers, as Israel is?
Don’t get me wrong when you read this, I absolutely condemn what Hamas did and has been doing for a long time. But it’s also possible, at the same time, to see that what Isreal is doing and has been doing for a long time is also not right.
What I’m hearing you say is that it’s justified for all of the Palestinians to be killed because that’s the only way to stop Hamas. So you’d be OK with all of your countrymen being wiped out if there were was a small percentage of the population acting as Hamas has been doing? You’d be OK with all of the non ‘Hamas’ people being hemmed in, bombed and starved to death?
Maybe, if Isreal hadn’t been pursuing and agenda of expansion since its inception the Islamist jihadists wouldn’t be such an issue…? After all Jews, Christians and Arabs have managed to live side by side in that part of the world before.
I’m not saying it’s “justified” per se. I’m saying it was intentionally created by Hamas/Iran/the jihadist movement. Their immediate aim is the annihilation of Israel. Their long term goal is global caliphate. They choose to sacrifice Palestinians, by creating a situation where Israel is faced with a “kill or be killed” scenario.
Suppose you were in command of Israel. The population is fed up with rockets hitting their homes and playgrounds where their children play. Oct. 7th was the last straw. They demand security. How do you neutralize the jihadist threat?
Not subjugating them and giving them their land back might be a good start.
You have to remember that this all started with the creation of the Israeli state without the consent of Palestinian people who were living there at the time.
The Jews had been living there just as long. Rehashing the past doesn’t change the facts today. ISIS and their ilk are ruthless terrorists who glorify death, and the Palestinians embraced that ideology, and elected a government whose core mission is genocide of the Jews. The diabolical plan they implemented, with participation and support of the population, has led to the current situation. Hamas kills their own people as much as they continue taking shots at Israelis. They are as evil as it gets, and yet they’ve managed to convince millions that Israel are the bad guys here.
Israel’s terms are reasonable, given what has happened: stop attacking and disarm. If they continue attacking, they will be destroyed. Hiding in residential buildings won’t save them. The leadership, ordering attacks from 5-star hotels in other countries, will not be spared. Jihadists waging war against Israel, and ultimately, western civilization, must be stopped. Their anti-semitic propaganda is just part of their strategy; don’t fall for it.