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RIP #Obtanium on "certified Android devices."

"Non-certified OSes, like GrapheneOS, should be unaffected by this for as long as they are allowed to continue to exist."

Freedom tech exists on iOS—after developers KYC themselves, even where Apple now allows sideloading under its rules. Android matters because it's open source and allows sideloading without Google's permission. That's why Nostr apps, FOSS tools, and freedom tech took root here.

#GrapheneOS works because it preserves that ecosystem without breaking continuity. But now Google's forcing developer KYC for the Play Store on certified devices. The choice becomes: KYC to Google or start over.

This is what breaks mobile in a way desktop never broke. On Linux, you can run open-source and closed-source software on the same primary system. On mobile, once the app ecosystem is gated, custom AOSP ROMs don’t get that role.

The result is a split by design. As I predicted—for the foreseeable future—stock Android becomes the primary device for most. Privacy ROMs get relegated to secondary use, not because of capability—but because of access.

For those whose threat model demands it, privacy ROMs remain the primary device. For everyone else, they become secondary—appealing to those willing to sacrifice convenience for privacy and security, but not the masses.

Obtainium dying on stock Android is the warning. After this, the rest is just enforcement.

The catch now, however, is that with custom ROMs you’re rebuilding the entire app ecosystem from scratch.

On Linux, you can still install closed-source software. On mobile, once you step outside the Google/Apple ecosystem, you’re not just losing a store—you’re losing the distribution, licensing, and services stack a lot of the apps people actually use are built around.

That’s Linux on mobile, but without an easy way to carry over the apps people already paid for, depend on for productivity, and use every day.

That’s the challenge in front of us right now.

https://keepandroidopen.org/

#IKITAO

Agree that this is is not great, but it's not nearly as bad as you make it seem.

Google is not limiting the apps available on alternative OSs. They are limiting what apps are available on stock OSs.

If anything, this makes an alternative OS more useful relative to stock, not less.

The negative here is that some devs may stop developing given the alternatives of KYCing or losing the distribution the Play Store offers.

Even that is probably exaggerated. Most will KYC. Ride or dies will abandon the Play Store.

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The bigger issue seems to be that people are forced more into picking one or the other. Some people have a mixed setup. I think nostr:npub1f6ugxyxkknket3kkdgu4k0fu74vmshawermkj8d06sz6jts9t4kslazcka is in that camp. I'm all the way into the GrapheneOS end with no Google services and that's fine for me, but not for most people. So they either have stock Google and none of the cool shit (assuming you may be wrong about the KYC part) or have to completely dive into the deep end like me and give up some of the stuff they used. And even though Graphene has sandboxed Play store and services, I can confirm that some applications have never functioned properly on my wife's phone after switching, even though they worked fine on stock.

I'm sure there are other issues I'm missing. I think I've had banking apps refuse to work even with google services (some integrity check, I can't remember, switched banks). I don't use the NFC payment stuff, so not sure how it works, but it would be a problem for many people if it didn't.

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