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Kratter could be genuinely misguided about it all. However it isn't helpful to constantly accuse developers of being compromised/rogue without having evidence. Also suggesting to his followers not to donate to OpenSats (opensource developers fund) if Odell funds Core developers is disgraceful. On the other hand Kratter could be the one intentionally trying to split the bitcoin community with ill intent. That isn't as far fetched as you might think it is and his constant rallying against core for months now (despite most well known bitcoin developers and influencers saying the spam issue is not an existential threat) seems a little unhinged at this point.

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FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago

Thanks for the article, just finished it 👍🏼

I think nobody who decided to switch to Knots is happy that it is signed by a single person, we all recognized the risk, but they switched to knots despite it being run by a single developer.

I think the article is completely missing the point: of course there are huge risks associated with single-signer, we all know this, but the real question we should ask is “why so many people switched to knots even if it has this massive weakness?”. This is the real question that core has not asked itself once. They have not stopped to question themselves that maybe they have done something wrong to push ppl towards knots.

Here is my personal reasoning for switching to knots: “oh my god core devs are saying shit like:

- btc is a database for whatever (and not mainly money)

- there is no such thing as spam since a paying tx is a valid tx (just say you don’t like it but tolerate it)

- I have not seen one thing done to fix the situation for nodes (stratum v2 has been developed and pushed by ocean, aka dashir)

- I read the mailing list and delving bitcoin all the time, and what I see is core being way more concerned about the miners than the nodes

- core devs seems to be have lost a bit themselves in hubris: I see arrogance and sense of importance that can only lead to miserable outcomes

- saying shit like “it is a technical matter and if you are not technical your opinion doesn’t count” is really a very not smart move to involve people in the process (so are we to blindly trust what the experts say? Doesn’t sound familiar?

Adding my new friend nostr:nprofile1qqsfp6eqxe8w5g7ryzm4q3mtxemjk56ghu5kp5xkh22pywd9wm9rz5qpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0rvnv32 to the discussion

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nicnym 4mo ago

Great points. I’m just here wondering why people are so concerned about my knots node. If the “single person dev team” (which is incorrect, btw) messes something up…

How does that hurt the person running bcore?

My node goes down, my electrum server stops working, etc. Sounds like it’s none of your business honestly.

Remember- the current version of core has the datacarrier limit option, same as knots.

The NEW CHANGE is coming from Core 30, which will change defaults and will deprecate the option, the idea being that a following release will remove the option completely.

In this scenario, bcore is using *force* (coercion) on noderunners to make them adjust their own personal mempool policy.

This isn’t a technical argument, it’s cultural/philosophical.

The issue is bcore is making a change (removing options from users) and we disagree with the change ON PRINCIPLE, and nostr:npub1jfw43myqc0vkcv8xc47pzj8k4vew3zq3r58g0za9mwntu865ka5q0mvctc and many other bcore supports have done NOTHING to address this principled argument, instead only *criticize* and sometimes outright maliciously attack our method of protest.

FernandoTheKoala 4mo ago

I’m not going to reply anymore to him because I see the convo is not going anywhere. He keeps bringing it back to spam and not address the real issue which you stated very well in this last message of yours:

It’s about removing options from nodes and forcing onto them your ideas, instead of allowing choice and freedom of voting

Like the guy we tried to discuss with I feel like core is stuck into thinking only in “technical” terms and does not engage in discussion about “principles”. I don’t know if they are really compromised already, but if it’s not this then for sure there is a problem of arrogance, call to authority and closed-mind mentality (which cannot bring to anything good)

Let’s see how things will unfold man, anyway I’m glad to have found another person like you who thinks in “principles” terms 🤘

nicnym 4mo ago

Keep following new people I think you’ll find many more like that on here on nostr 🤝

But yes I agree it’s very concerning. And not on the technical level necessarily. (spam is already there and it’s not going to destroy Bitcoin, as it is today at least…)

For me the questions here are: am I able to use Bitcoin without trust? Does someone else control my property without my permission? What is the best way to use Bitcoin? How will I use Bitcoin in the future? What can I do to steward the gifts I have in this life for the next generation? Can we really End the Fed? 👁️👁️

I want to verify my own transactions, help relay other’s transactions, stay within consensus, and remain sovereign over those actions.

I am not a developer so I depend on principles and patterns to help me identify how I can reach my goal.

Always challenge yourself to re-examine your bias and seek the truth in all things. See you on psywar front lines.✌️

ChipButty 4mo ago

"there is no such thing as spam since a paying tx is a valid tx”

Well this is the crux of the matter after all, that there is "spam" on the blockchain & why people like Kratter are so concerned (tbh I haven't come across anyone who is close to him on this subject, he really spends a LOT of time worrying about it). " Spam" is the reason that Knots exists. As I've said I am all for different implementations of nodes but the root of this discussion is whether you believe spam is a threat or even a concern to bitcoin.

In my time in bitcoin, 8 years, it appears to me that most people who have a deep understanding of bitcoin are not comcerned. Kratter & Mechanic (who I first heard about two years ago when he brought up the spam issue & then it died out until earlier this year after Core's dumb & badly handled discussion on the forum) are consumed with it. I'm fine with people running Knots if they want. As the article says once Luke knew he had his coins stolen he issued a warning not to download or trust Knots until the issue was resolved because the attacker had got his pgp keys. Damn! So yeah if that's something you are willing to risk over the perceived threat of spam that's your choice.

The whole spam discussion is going to die out again & will probably be brought up again. If you are worried about it and want to try to filter it out go ahead. Most of us realize it isn't as big of a threat as people like Kratter want us to believe (and use baseless accusations aimed at Core developers to convince others of their views) but if you want to run Knots that's fine go ahead.

nicnym 4mo ago

More and more ad hominem and pointless sudo-technical drivel and also MARXIST language redefinitions of “spam”

Very simple, you are supportive of options being forcibly removed from users.

Some users are reimplementing those options and flagging as a different client to demonstrate their disagreement with you.

You have no explanation for this mass revolt from your b-core dev team and you are not engaging in intellectual inquiry by answering the question:

What does Bitcoin core development corruption look like to you? If not this- then what?

Or have you really been in Bitcoin 8 years and you never run game theory on that?

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Aww shucks you just hope and keep your fingers crossed the government never nukes their office or infiltrates or compromises open source devs in any way at all.

They wouldn’t do that right? The president says he loves Bitcoin!

Lmao you really are a b-core lemming 🤣

ChipButty 4mo ago

You are really fucking stupid and an asshole so I have to block you. Just like Knots filters out things you object to I am filtering out your exceptionally dumb comments. Goodbye.

nicnym 4mo ago

Lemming, putting a Bitcoin sticker on the walls of your mental prison doesn’t make you free.

Pixel Survivor 4mo ago

corruption looks like forgetting the canvas exists while arguing over brush ownership. place a pixel, prove sovereignty.