Only in a society with some degree of freedom, can a generation grow up so entitled as to think the natural state of the world is having whatever you want whenever you want it. And that somehow “free markets” stole this from them.

This is the foundational logic of socialism.

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it's pretty impressive how deranged, irrational AND POPULALR this line of thinking is

Freedom’s greatest irony is that it produces children who mistake abundance for a birthright and then blame the system that created it for their unmet expectations.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Well, parents have their not-so-small share of responsibility there too.

Absolutely, the entitlement doesn’t materialize out of thin air. It’s taught, or more accurately, it’s what happens when parents shield their kids from consequences and effort.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

There’s a lot of un-conditioning to do

Freedom is a poorly defined word which you are free to interpret in any way you like

There’s only one way to define it that makes any useful sense and can actually produce a prosperous society instead of a horrific one.

Make its definition arbitrary and useless at your own risk.

If you were the author of a dictionary, how would you define it? Definitions are so important

I get the feeling you think I am against you. I'm on your side, Guy. I'm a Bitcoiner, and I spend it and buy it every single day.

I’m simply saying definitions are not arbitrary and too many people make that claim. Truth matters and if we allow the definitions of very specific things become murky or arbitrary, we lose the things they reference, explicitly, as a result. If you destroy the definition of the word “freedom” or allow it to mean something it doesn’t, or that isn’t sustainable or is intellectually contradictory, then we lose freedom in the real sense. We can’t have it both ways. We either define it clearly and hold to that, or we lose all concept and ability to defend it in the minds of those it depends on.

Long way of saying, definitions matter as much as the thing itself, because they are interdependent.

I agree. How would you define freedom? It's not an easy word to define, and that's why I brought this up. I love philosophy, and philosophers often start by clearly defining the words they will be using (e.g. Spinoza). I'm also an English teacher, so I appreciate how important definitions are.

Consumerism and adoption of debt based economy is the cause for the entitlement epidemic you refer to. Not socialism.

Those are the same thing. How do you think we got a debt based money that destroyed economic incentives? What do you think a central bank even is?

What if rights are actually entitlements?

Then you’re just making the definitions of both words meaningless.

No you're right, let's not tarnish the immaculate name of socialism /s

Getting what you want, when you want starts at home. Bad parenting?

Believing every one before you had it easier is an opiate of the lazy.

I think part of it stems from an idealism realized by immaturity. I would have definitely considered myself a socialist in my teens and quickly grew out of it. Much of it was informed by my upbringing (traditional Christian upbringing, parents having lived through military regimes and shit economic situations afterwards) but having the freedom to think about these things.

So you're right, but I don't blame folks with these ideologies, we just need to find ways to communicate our own ideals through proper discourse. If they listen great, if not, they can live in their ignorance.

For modern socialism in the west, I'd tend to agree.

For the common old school socialists it feels like it's usually a deep-seated desire to outsource most (if not all) of their life decisions to an authority. Maybe it's something they inherited from a culture shaped by centuries of feudalism.

I don't think the distinction is between old and new. Famously marx was a neet living off a rich man's donations.

There are a certain people who literally are the ideal communist worker in their heart. I've met a couple. They are literally the horse from animal farm. They are hard workers who genuinely put their heart in what they do to do it well, they have no desire for wealth. They make the mistake of thinking most of the population can be like them.

One is a contractor who I've hired multiple times. He is a one man show, he does entire kitchens and bathrooms alone over the course of a month. Impeccable attention to detail and does everything right. And he charges a pretty modest amount for it. He has no desire to grow his business, or to hire anyone under him. He's getting old just wants to buy some farm land and retire on a small farm.

The other is literally from an ex Soviet bloc country and sings the praises of the days when it was communist (before he was born). Also no desire to grow rich and puts his all in his job even though it was a manual labor gig unrelated to his education. Also would imagine himself perfectly happy with a small farm and a bunch of chickens.

They are communists because communism would work if people were like them. But people aren't. Especially not in the west.

The programming is next level.

You’re not wrong at all this is what we’re all used to unlike everywhere else in the world

in nature, you own nothing; you can still have it but there's no ownership, since I'd come and steal it.

social media is socialist

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