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Neal 10mo ago

no, i’m not conflating accidents and essence. no confusion here.

ask yourself what is more important, which one is primary: the road or the car?

it’s not to say there is not some mutual relation between the two, but if there are no cars, there are no roads.

yes, cars benefit from better roads, but what is being transported on the road is primary.

if ur not developing or advocating for more privacy focused layer 2, and just shilling monero, you cannot be taken serious as your actions don’t align with ur purported objectives

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Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

>"if ur not developing or advocating for more privacy focused layer 2"

I would love a proper L2 (non-custodial, permissionless, private, simple defaults) so Monero would no longer be needed. That's not the case right now, so I mostly transact with Monero.

I'll always use the best tool for the job. I can't use things that don't exist yet or sit on my hands and wait another 15 years until Bitcoin gets it's shit together. Monero is superior for private transactions right now. It's not even a debate. Sorry if that makes you upset.

Neal 10mo ago

I don’t disagree: ”Monero is superior for private transacting right now.”

that’s a fact.

but again, that proves the point: mistaking accident for essence

Monero trades risk of privacy concerns for risk of centralization.

it’s an admission of not understanding the problem satoshi was solving for.

Trust is the problem, and he solved it with decentralization, thats why it a contradiction of first principles to make the trade

Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

At what point is something sufficiently decentralized? What is the magic number?

13,000 nodes distrubuted across the planet sounds just as practically unstoppable to me as 22,000. Not even one order of magnitude difference despite Monero having a much smaller userbase.

https://bitnodes.io/

https://monero.fail/map

Neal 10mo ago

principles not particulars.

essence not accidents.

“magic number” thinking is the latter

maybe it is sufficient for today, but u have to trust it wil be sufficient tomorrow, and the next, and the next.

when trust is not necessary, asking for trust is the first symptom of deceit

Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

Maybe 22,000 is not sufficient for tomorrow either.

The same way that the magic decentralization number for block size is 4MB and also just happens to be what Bitcoin is at this moment in time. What a coincidence.

In principle Bitcoin should have 1 byte blocks. Maximum decentralization. Anything more is centralized. Principles.

Neal 10mo ago

🤣 I know principled thinking is hard.

principles drive the priorities

u strawman cause there is not wiggling out of the incoherence of making privacy prime.

a block needs a size, no shit.

what principle is prime in the decision? that’s the question, and if our answer reintroduces trust into the equation, it demonstrates an inability to recognize thr problem

Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

You keep repeating the word "principles" as if repeating it enough times will make what you're saying principled.

Earlier you said: "Monero trades risk of privacy concerns for risk of centralization...Trust is the problem, and he solved it with decentralization, thats why it a contradiction of first principles to make the trade"

Your principle is decentralization.

Bigger blocks = centralized

Smaller blocks = decentralized

True or not? Instead of speaking in fuzzy language speak plainly.

Why are 1 byte blocks not more decentralized? Or will you dance around that like my magic number question?

Neal 10mo ago

it’s not my principle.

it’s objectively the key that unlocks the trust issue.

a 1 bit block is more centralized, but you miss the point

the chain would cease its monetary function.

decentralization being primary doesn’t mean only.

seems like you are either being purposfully obtuse to pretend you don’t understand design principles to troll, or you checked your rationality at the door snd this isn’t rational discourse nor will will ever be.

either way, ur a waste of my time.

Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

People who are rational and principled don't have to keep repeating how "princpled" or "rational" their ideas are. They actually demonstrate it or argue it out.

It's like someone who keeps proclaiming how humble they are. It's pretentious.

>"a 1 bit block is more centralized, but you miss the point

the chain would cease its monetary function."

Exactly. Thanks for agreeing. Maximum tunnel-visioning on one thing at the cost of everything else is short-sighted.

Now all you have left to do is apply that to privacy and you'll be consistent.

Neal 10mo ago

have fun with your simulacrum

not stepping in your gnostic circle

classic gamma mid-wit

Saberhagen The Nameless 10mo ago

You type like a schizo. See ya.

Neal 10mo ago

privacy is important, but we don’t get very far when we put the cart before the horse