I will simply assume you're arguing in good faith and say the following:

1. Libertarian philosophy doesn't say you need to modify a bulldozer and destroy a bunch of buildings, in fact the killdozer might've at least partially infringed on the non-aggression principle because the guy also destroyed property of people who may have wronged him in the past but posed no immediate threat to him. That said, I don't believe the guy considered himself a Rothbardian anarcho-capitalist.

2. Ruby Ridge was about a man whose wife and child were killed by government agents because the man refused to take part in a sting operation - if anything this highlights the need for a reduction of government action. The guy called himself a white separatist, though, and whatever that is, if it were part of libertarian philosophy, I believe I would've heard about it.

3. If I'm not mistaken, gamer gate was about people unhappy with the gaming industry, a lot of mud was flung and nobody got hurt or killed as near as I can tell. Those people didn't harass people in the gaming industry because the former were libertarians or because libertarian philosophy prescribes any of those actions, apparently they were very unhappy with the way things were being done.

In summary, none of those incidents were the result of a widespread libertarian societal order or the strict adherence to Austrian economics, it's mostly a bunch of horrible people doing horrible stuff to other people, some of which were also horrible.

Also, anyone expecting bands of national socialists to do his bidding and further his interests is certainly not prone to be much of a freedom-lover.

For a quick introduction to the general principle of libertarian thinking, I highly recommend "Anatomy of the State" by Murray N. Rothbard, it's less than 100 pages and illustrates why a reduction of state power would have to reduce the overall prevalence of violence in society and everyday life.

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1) Mr. Neemeyer of killdozer fame moved to a town that then deliberately killed his business by discriminatory regulation where his competitors were in on the graft. They literally surrounded his scrap yard, then penalized him for being unable to conduct business with no access easement.

I never accused any of the people being libertarians/rothbardians. My point is that livertarianism doesn’t solve for this modern leftist “I’m not touching you” “soft force”.

If neemeyer MADE and easement, or refused to pay the fines, or otherwise refused to comply with the discrimination, he would have been subject to force.

But your argument is “nobody caused harm to him”.

They surrounded his business and prevented him from conducting any. Was he supposed to wait until they came to execute him? Until he starved to death?

They were engaging in daily force against them and his attack was justifiable self defense, which is my point.

2) but let’s say he found a way to leave.

He founds something like Ruby ridge. “I just want to be left alone”.

But they wouldn’t let Ruby ridge be left alone.

Again, your implication that it isn’t “libertarianism” because the people conducting the actions weren’t strict ideological libertarians is moot. It’s “no true Scotsman” in its portrayal.

If it was Galt’s gulch itself, or any other libertarian utopia you could imagine, it wouldnt have changed the substance.

They wanted to exercise the freedom of association to NOT be involved in government overreach by “checking out” to “a place of their own”.

That could not be allowed so long as the parasitic government existed. “You may not be interested in politics, but politics is intensely interested in you.”

So long as the government that disrespects those rights continues to exist, it will not respect your desire to be left alone by it.

If you do not DESTROY that government and replace it with one that matches your values, it will come and knock on your door to assert its perceived right to your time and resources. That’s why the founders conducted revolution instead of just disappearing into the woods like many others did.

THAT was the lesson of Ruby Ridge. That there is no safety in hiding from evil and expecting to do that indefinitely while you have anything to lose.

3) Gamer gate was a controversy where young men, made nihilistic by our broken culture and lack of opportunities (keep in mind it was around the time of the 2008 crashes so these kids couldn’t find work) ended up trying to find escape in videogames… and realizing there WAS no escape.

Cultural marxist degenerates leveraging bogus gov/corporate bs money used the approved smear words to force themselves into the gaming community and began to take over the industries that produced the games these men used for escape from the very social psychosis that were now being forcibly injected into them.

These were people that didn’t try to run a business like neemeyer nor to physically walk away from the mainstream like the Ruby ridge community. Their escape was solely SPIRITUAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL… and it STILL couldn’t be permitted.

They had to actively build their own parallel game institutions to reclaim their hobby in order to keep it at all.

The ideological and structural connections between the conquest of the game industry and other institutions (like the colleges and big tech) brought some of the gamer gate activists on the freedom side of the issue into broader politics. This is because some of them realized that gamer gate was a spiritual Ruby ridge with the same implications:

The human parasites that believe they are entitled to control you will not respect your boundaries and rights until they are FORCED to, because they respect nothing else.

They believe they know better than you, they believe that your rights are a threat to them (psycho-espistemologivally, they are right, as your ability to thrive by your own code is a refutation of their worldview, entitlement, and thereby, the source of their perverted self-esteem), and will not stop until forced to do so for those reasons.

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You can’t discount every time atlas tried to shrug the shackles of the cult because they failed some sort of “no true Scotsman” ideological purity test for not having read all the right books.

If libertarians will not justify and empathize with their rightful desire for Justice against those that wronged them, then they will seek someone else that will.

THAT is why they are becoming Nazis.

Oh well, I completely misread your other comment, I'm very sorry 😄

I do remember the town picking on killdozer guy but I forgot that it was that bad.

Yeah I agree, you can't outrun the leftist and statist monsters because they will hunt you like a shark hunts a wounded seal.

Revolution ultimately leads to new tyrants under different colours so that's moot in the long run as well.

What's left then? I guess the same avenue the Marxists took, undermining education and institutions, planting the ideas of liberty, self-reliance, and voluntary cooperation in the heads of young people until they are taken for granted again.

How's that sound?

Marxists didnt just “undermine” these things.

They were violent vigilante terrorists in the 60s and 70s at least (with more communist guerillas in even the 20s than people give credit for) and were GIVEN those positions as a concession to stop movements like the weather underground.

Force is ABSOLUTE. Sure, it won’t replace reality or make the impossible possible…

But it ends the argument EVERY time.

As the Charlie Kirk assassination showed, you can be right about so much and it STILL doesn’t matter in the face of well placed force.

The counter to an evil government is a well armed citizenry.

The counter to institutionalized collectivists who are still threatening you with force, but with semantic lies via “plausible deniability” is a force willing to engage in violence to call the bluff of the threat they are levying against you.

Eg: “we know what your implication is when you call someone a ‘Nazi’ for not wanting to pay taxes. It is a dogwhistle for heretics to target for abuse. We are not stupid. Try it and it will be your grave.”

Too much of right wing and libertarian discourse is “bigger man syndrome”.

“We just have to win them over.” “We just have to make our own schools.”

Then they send antifa/BLM mobs to smash your schools, beat you to a pulp, and then Kyle Rittenhouse you when you refuse to let you kill them.

The left bombed courthouses.

Freedom lovers can, for example, at bare minimum, physically detain judges trying to punish people for peaceful mere possession of a firearm.

How about a citizens arrest for the blatant malicious prosecution of Rittenhouse and Daniel penny?

Etc.

Anything BUT meeting force with force is playing to lose.