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I’m hearing the idea that women in particular shouldn’t be able to vote / hold political power a lot these days.

Many reasons are given, but I never seem to hear mine — that no one at all, man or woman, should be able to vote / hold political power.

No, the reasons all center around some perceived problem with women, or some statistic that is assumed to be an innate problem with women and not a fixable problem with society.

I’m somewhat interested to know how many of these people are raising daughters and attempting to influence women they know to have the critical thinking skills and respect for individual rights that could actually change the world for the better, with or without the problem of political power first coming to an end.

Or are they just perpetuating the problem by saying “girls will be girls” or insisting on conformity to gender roles?

#politics #women #vote #genderroles #grownostr

Low Information Voter 1y ago

With all due respect, the position you never seem to hear is the same one I articulated in the discussion you referred to. And I was not alone in that.

Gender differences are measurable, persistent, cross-cultural, and may often be correlated with neurological and endocrinological substrates.

There are particular forms of maladaptive thinking to which women, in general and on average, are disproportionately prone.

If the observations are consistent across place and time, then they should be recognised and acknowledged before developing policies to mitigate them.

This should not be any more controversial than male predominance in red-green colour blindness or autism-spectrum disorders.

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The Beave 1y ago

I do also agree with LIV's points, and it can't be taken lightly that women's sufferage was absolutely a poison pill that was pushed to destroy families and enrich the ones running factories and heavy industry.

I've been poking around the writings of the anti-suffragettes, and my goodness is there some exceptionally powerful stuff there.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

Chicken or egg? I can think of other cross-cultural things that aren’t inherent human behavior.

I ask again, how many people are trying to actually fix the problem rather than use it as an excuse to built a world where they are more likely to hold more power?

Because you also admit (or so I thought) that there are women who do not think or behave this way.

We’re not men! We are who we are somehow.

I refuse to perpetuate collectivist thought, including sexism.

banjo 1y ago

Taking sexism out of the discussion (maybe a bit of a thread-jack?)...

I do think we've gone WAY too far pushing DEI on medicine.

You're no longer allowed to ask someone's race--but if you've got black ancestry you're more prone to sickle cell...(for example)

You're no longer allowed to ask "man or woman" but there are indeed physical differences and ailments that affect each sex...(i.e. men cannot get pregnant, women cannot get testicular cancer)

It's crazy - we have differences that are genetically determined - but physiciians not being able to query for such characterics is insane, as is the unwillingness by some to even admit that they exist.

DEI is 100% lowering the standards of medicine, and resulting in a significant decrease in the quality of care, and an increase in morbidity and mortality.

It's crazy...and it needs to stop.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

Yes, this is an extremely important issue. I’m really interested to hear the perspective of doctors and nurses on wokeism, just like many had uniquely valuable perspectives on the Covid response that were brushed off.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

I'm accustomed to being "invisible" to people I disagree with, but this may be the first time I've discovered I was invisible for agreeing too much.

In that discussion mine was one of the earliest replies, in which I acknowledged the evidence of a problem but disagreed with the proposed solution; offering a different solution. One quite in line with yours. The thread grew quite long, and included various viewpoints. No general agreement was reached, but positions were defended, elaborated and clarified calmly.

This new discussion seems less than completely frank about the last one, and framed like a damsel waving down a White Knight.

𝔼𝕣𝕪𝕟 𝔹𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕔𝕠 1y ago

I’m sorry you feel completely lumped in with what I’m addressing. I actually remarked in that discussion how impressed I was with the -general- trend of being careful to talk about trends as trends and not universalities. Including your input!

The discussion and its lower points did make me think again about this issue and the general low tone of other conversations on it I have personally been witness to.

Like I said, I’m hearing this thought a lot lately.

But yes, you did just now make some statements I have an issue with, and I addressed that. Including by calling attention to good things you said in the other conversation.