I could have been a lot more succinct....
> EV energy systems are more stockpilable and shelf-stable than ICE systems because they allow stockpiling productive energy capacity, whereas ICE systems only allow stockpiling consumable fuel.
Assume that to be true. Given that, which EV available on the USA market maximizes all of:
- the least dependent on cloud services for basic operation (this one is most important)
- most user-maintainable
- most user-customizeable
- long-term reliable
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Nissan Leaf from the year before they replaced the 3.5mm port with a USB-C port.
That's the most range you can get without overt spyware attached.
This is why I bought one for Digit a couple years ago, but she didn't take it or start wanting to talk to me, and then the state messed with me for like a year before letting me have the title, so now I find it too depressing to think about and it just sits in the driveway with no insurance and me never figuring out what to do with it.
Reads like a monologue straight from a Chevy ad where the narrator is slowly freezing to death in his EV while trying to get home, as a blizzard has disabled the grid with every charger along his way.
Curious, what does a 5 gallon jerry of "more stockpilable and shelf-tested productive energy capacity" look like, and where in your EV do you reckon would you put it for your emergency trip that requires more than your capacity can provide?
Mad max with EVs is a good pitch for Netflix, tho
I can put up solar panels. Good luck running your own oil well and refinery.
Put up as many as you want - you are not driving further than half of your factory capacity allows. And it will deteriorate in time. As much as I can't refine oil at home, you cannot make replacements for your EV infra. Solar or diesel/oil stockpile, 5-10 years max I'd say.
What would work long term are horses. Nobody can maintain cars if industry and modern manufacturing is no more.
EVs are great toys for the hood, but if shit hits the fan you are not overloading it with your family and stuff, and escaping anywhere.
Exactly though. In a long term shelter in place, why run away from my stockpile?, I have half range of my EV for 30 years of output from my solar panels.
Note that 30 years is the guaranteed time for 90% of brand new output from the panels, go look at Silfab's warranty. With care I have fridge and freezer and even some heat from that in addition to short range car trips.
EVs would never survive 30 years without the industry. Get a horse just in case 😉
You have no clue what goes into keeping a gas car on the road if you think EVs are long term unreliable by comparison. We don't need every bell and whistle. Goes, stops, turns. Best case scenario you need a massive stock pile of brake pads, oil, and filters in addition to your fuel with is hydrophilic and will go bad in 5 years no matter how much you stockpile.
yes but you could make your own ethanol or use wood fired steam engine before you'd be able to 'fix' a lithium battery..
er, not ethanol, that other thing that makes engines go 😅
That doesn't counter my other point about refrigeration and heat as a bonus from your local generation if you can make enough.
You guys should think about solar more - where you have mostly sunny days you wouldn't waste electricity for heating, and where you would need more heating the sun isn't around that much (or that high in the sky). With scarce sun you will not be wasting electricity on heating, you got wood for that.
The bonus should be for charging your golf-cart, not for keeping your food from rotting.
Diesel, propane, and many wood heat sources require electric.
The point is that the electric is more flexible than a room full of oil barrels for your truck. I can decide how I use it day by day as I go. Might be food storage one day and a welder the next.
That's what generators are for 😉
I do, actually. Only an oldschool NA diesel could stand a chance, reliability and lack of complexity wise, and you'd need to upgrade hoses to silicone and other gimmicks, but still the question of seals and oils remain. Nobody will be driving cars if there's no industry for 5 years.
Have you done the math on how much solar you'd need for 100 mile trips? I'd say you are way better off with a diesel if you are not using the car/truck daily. Large solar setups require maintenance also, whereas my dark room of diesel barrels requires nothing.
The point that there will be no proper road infra is also ignored. Truck or suv with bigger tires will ne the best possible means of transport, worst category of EVs.
5 years is about my guess too how long any car or truck is useful without infrastructure, maximum. I just think it is more work to get that 5 years out of internal combustion.
Still, local electric generation is useful for many things including keeping your starter batteries charged.
Always amazes me how many self reliance people are anti solar. Proof of propaganda.
I'm not at all anti-solar, just using an EV for what an ICE vehicle is better equiped to do is bizarre.
Yes, it is better at everything, especially tasks around farms/countryside. Sure, keep charging the EV slowly when there are clear skies, but even fully charged it will not be the best tool for any job.
It's easy to understand why when you realize that any EV trying to compete in a given ICE category weighs considerably more than the ICE average. And that's after the brilliant engineering done to reduce weight wherever possible. That's the tax for trying to compete with current battery tech, nothing against it.
But these over-engineered vehicles give up maintainability and strength just to keep up. Cast aluminum parts which are hard to diy in case of breaking. You are not welding the frame of your cyber truck back together for instance, if it snaps - the entire thing is cast. It has to be, to compete. You can throw the invincible hilux down a waterfall amd drive away.
EVs are the premier league of compromise, and the tech is barely competative with gov assistance now. It's a dying class of anti-free market manufacturing porn.
The best thing a Nissan Leaf can become for a self-sov homestead is the backup battery for the solar setup. Driving it would be a waste of productive power.
Did you even look at Edison Electric and what they are building?
I want to be as clear as I can that I'm not recommending a cybertruck for anything.
It was just an example, all electric trucks have unique problems due to the fact they end up weighing more. The last thing you need while driving off road is weight.
Basically every built off-road vehicle is heavy as fuck so I don't know where you got that idea. Hummers (real ones), unimogs, rock crawlers, trophy trucks. Plus bigger trucks have more payload and towing capacity.
Survivalism isn't an off-road park. It is main roads rapidly disintegrating into fire road quality.
A 1 ton Edison conversion pickup is a hell of a utility vehicle.
Hybrids weight more in comparison to same class. If you see what the Edison kit includes, you will understand what I mean - you basically get an ICE truck, which is already heavy, and add another 800 lbs (?) in batteries to it. There's no way around that. Still a better option than an EV tho, as you can at least travel further than a full charge would allow.
There are already tests out comparing regular to hybrid trucks in different situations. In perfect conditions it looks a better approach, but the added weight is a drag when you start towing or off road. The edison kit would most likely perform similarly.
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that jerry can of gas won't move a car after 2 or 3 years sitting on a shelf. a stack of batteries and solar panels and wind turbines will still be able to produce electricity to drive an EV for probably 10-20 years.
that's the use-case i'm talking about. obviously I totally agree that you can't take "A jerry can of electricity" in your trunk in an EV. ...but its already pretty chock-full of batteries to nearly its volume limit. and there is similarly a physical volume limit for how much gasoline you can throw in a trunk.
But I digress - I was never talking about single-trip backup fuel, I'm talking about long-term sustainable fuel you can **continue to** produce on a sovereign hunk of land with zero dependencies post-stockpiling.
your points aren't invalid on their own, they're just tangential to my question.
There’s a company near Amsterdam, New Electric, who convert old cars to electric. I’d like to get an old GClass Mercedes to convert to electric. One day maybe, maybe I’ll be too late.
I like the way your thinking. The people who think oil = energy independence are laughable level brainwashed. We are literally starting another war right now because a nation can't control enough oil without mass murder.
My answer would be look into Edison electric conversion kits for trucks. I believe they offer plug in plus diesel hybrids. The diesel is not needed like gas is needed for an old Prius because it is a series hybrid.
Don't even get me started on series hybrids vs automotive style hybrids. Proof the car manufacturers want to make unreliable crap. The saying is nothing stops this train not nothing stops this hybrid car for a reason that isn't just size.
There’s a company near Amsterdam, New Electric, who convert old cars to electric. I’d like to get an old GClass Mercedes to convert to electric. One day maybe, maybe I’ll be too late.
