nostr:npub1ghcetnluhryhynhuyj8s2pazldjm27wl40nu6dfeskvpv09twcnsneygat are you a cat person? 🤭
nostr:npub162zpxufpw8pnuytaf0gfxzkqtvk9rvcwkvppa7x57y3n7qkfpg4shatdhy beautiful trolling, but in case you were serious, I was hinting about how you can verify this synchronicity. Here on nostr there no algo (yet anyway) and sometimes it happens to think about an idea and then someone else posts a note on that exact thing.
I like cats and dogs but cats are so clean and independent I prefer them for now
Cats won't tell the cop were the drugs are. 🐸
Fuckkkkk. Cats are superior for this alone!
Yeah I felt like I understood your post as intended. I trip out on it often. Try to read the tea leaves, and sometimes it kinda works
I don’t really get it. There’s the book, think and grow rich that comes to mind. It talks about how putting out the right thoughts into the ether and then waiting for some kind of solution to come to you is the way to get rich. It’s as if there’s energy in the universe that gives us answers and it’s not our efforts or reasoning that finds solutions.
Ideas don't come from nowhere, they are seeded from other things that have been seen and experienced. On a small network like Nostr it is highly likely that multiple people receive the same seeds and eventually reach similar conclusions.
This morning I was happy to see jb55 post a note mirroring my thoughts on lists of npubs that had recent interaction, which I had posted a few notes in the previous days.
It's probably not coincidence, but an indication of an undercurrent of thought that hasn't yet crystallized, yet exists within the larger conversation.
This view makes sense to me
Yes, beautiful put sir. I'm thinking puzzles rn. Seeds fit in a bigger puzzle. Users are looking at a constructed puzzle up to that point (percieved point anyway) and then see how they can contribute to it (if).
That or the ideas are frequencies available for anyone but in reality are available only for the ones with the proper antennas. Hence the seeding part, building and preparation, because they don't come out just like that.
It's all memes.
It's always been all memes.
Ideas live and grow in the fertile ground of the minds of man.
Arrr, the ancient meme theory. Yes.
Slightly off topic, but your comment reminded me of this old one:
Kinda how I feel. The frequencies and messages from the universe sounds too much like placebo.
I don't agree with Richard Dawkins on everything, but his concept of memetics was some brilliant stuff.
I was a big fan of Dawkins. I've read and studied him from A to Z while I was an atheist cunt. The meme thing is bullseye tho. The rest, meh...
I need to read more about memetics. I heard a little on Breedlove’s think boy podcast at some point. I think memetics explains the collective hallucination that humans have with irrational group think: statism, religion, modern medicine.
So about religion...
"One of the main functions of organized religion is to protect people against a direct experience of God"
-Jung
Maybe you've seen this over the internet. Let it sink in for a while.
I like Jung but I think that if God wanted us to have a direct experience with him, then he’d facilitate that. I agree religion isn’t the solution.
He does. He has. :)
Please let it sink in for a while. The point Jung was making there imo is that untrained people will go mad because of the direct link. Even Nietzsche went insane and he was a giant, let alone average Bob and Alice dipping their toes in mysticism and such.
We fucked up for sure, our esteemed colleague mentioned 3 things we put in our bodies... 🤭
I think if Nietzsche couldn’t do it, then it isn’t a practical link for humans but only for a select few. And that to me is a problem because that means god isn’t a fair divine being.
I don't see it that way. God is good and he loves us equally. This is impossible to comprehend for many. How can God love a murderer the same way as he loves me or a saint? This is a puzzle for the ages.
Nietzsche is entry level stuff, no offence. I love him like a brother, don't get me wrong. He kept going a decade more than any mortal could given his cards, timing and general context. May God bless his soul.
He going crazy 100% saved Jung from doing the same. Carl says this precisely and this is one of the reasons I admire him also, despite probably fucking some of his patients and selling himself to a very wealthy and influential family that most bitcoiners hate by default. It is not my place to judge, maybe I've got it all wrong entirely.
Regardless, I like to see the good part in people as much as I can. Shakespeare said it best: the whole world is a stage... :)
Yes but placebo works somehow.
It works too well is the problem
Why would this be a problem?
Hard to distinguish true cause and effect outcomes from placebo outcomes
There's one way to test it and see it... on yourself. ☝🏻🐸
But my subjective experience cannot prove anything 😂
I sometimes am not sure I'm following these types of vague conversations, but gonna drop this here anyway. If the mind reflects/codes reality well, then it can draw practical conclusions just from deduction alone.
Maybe this has nothing to do with convo though, have been dipping in and out as I run around
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I'm very interested in the Goethe quote. A little bit of context? 👀👀
nostr:npub1m3xdppkd0njmrqe2ma8a6ys39zvgp5k8u22mev8xsnqp4nh80srqhqa5sf would be your man. I'd simply connected his note to something else I had read a while back, but it's more clear in his note
This is basically saying we predict certain outcomes and then verify them in reality. But sometimes we can form the wrong conclusions like saying that cow piss will cure a disease. Some people believe that cows are sacred and its urine has medicinal properties. This belief can actually heal you, which is the placebo effect. Even though these people may consistently see their predictions come true, it’s not a true cause and effect relationship because cow urine doesn’t actually cure you of disease.
Yes to first part. And know what you mean about placebo but think that's separate from point of diagram. I interpreted it as the feedback you get from nature refines your formal system, which tunes its predictions, etc.
The connection to convo here, as I said may be a bit forced, it's just on my mind lately i guess.
I can’t help but think of barbaric tribes that would continuously sacrifice humans to the sun god and find that the weather coincidentally improves. The problem is that eventually, on a long enough timeframe, the weather eventually does improve. So they find reasons for why it takes 3 humans instead of 5. And it’s usually based on factors you can’t measure like this one is a virgin or that one is pure of heart or beautiful.
fwiw Rupert Sheldrake speculates about the complexity of the human brain vs other entities in the universe, and then goes on to point out that stars are much more complex than the human brain. He then speculates there could be information transmitted by the sun to humans. And others who work with NASA then discuss the human dna as a possible receiver (see “tyler” in Diana Walsh Pasulka’s book, American Cosmic) 
Its a very dense book but also well written 😵💫🫣 if you spend some time with it the ideas come into focus. There's lots of gold there.
My interpretation goes something like this, which relates to earlier ideas in the book.
There is the Natural world, and there is Our (first person) world.
We can only understand the Natural world through our first person sensations. Our senses activate from the differences we feel and the relationships we've mapped (approximate cause and effect) between sensations. In actuality what it means is that we can't grasp causality in the natural world, but the cause and effect of sensations. I see clouds in the sky and expect to feel wet if I'm outside.
If the world was uniform, there is nothing to observe. Also, because we observe the world through our senses, we are limited at getting to any fundamental Truths.
The interesting thing happens when we move from working with direct sensations and use those relationships in isolation. Formal systems take the relationships we've acquired from our senses into sets of rules to experiment around with for their own sake. And because formal systems ultimately come from abstracting our sensations, they aren't Natural. Anything 'rule' based is not actually natural, but instead an approximation. Its important to recognize the map isn't the territory, confusing the two gets problematic whenever we use the rules derived on the map that don't actually exist in the real world. At the same time, we should be creating and using effective maps.
Have to run but thanks for the summary. Will have to reread
Good summary, thanks again. I had found a copy later and cracked it open - dense indeed! Thought I had the wrong book and a math book instead.
The connection from reality to the systems of thought we construct is I guess what vaguely connected this to the original conversation above. Hard for me to make connection concisely or probably at all, so will leave it there.
I'd call it a philosophy book grounded in math, with ideas related to computation and biology. It's taken me a while to even approach it, because i assumed I needed to understand all the math and formulas involved. But no, not really. You really have to skim through each dense section, skip around through the chapters, multiple times over multiple occasions to partially digest it 🤣
If you want to start off, the new chapters provide nice background - Foreword, prefaces, prolegomena. The Autobiographical Reminiscences and "The Devil's Advocate" story are really incredible additions that bring in the human aspect of Rosen as a scientist. Overall, the Springer Second edition really is a tour, bringing together a dense work while also pointing out the philosophy it opens.
Taking in the cow piss without a strong belief is weak. It's just low tier animal fetish.
Now, if you want to explore on why the Indians consider the cow holy you have to sit down with the curry people. It's not my place to shit on Hinduism or whatever they have going on over there.
What I would mention tho is some big dick energy from a cool orthobro. It goes something like this: if fasting was only about eating, then cows would be holy.
https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/content/miracles-responding-to-objections
JP has a video on the topic too. You may find it interesting 🙏
Thanks for the link. With pieces like this I like to take my time. The intro is really in my liking.
Placebo ~ miracle
