The " Persian Gulf " will forever remain by this name, and no government can change it to 'Arabian Gulf' for their own political interests. The people of Iran have the legal and historical right to raise their voices and declare loudly against such disrespect . it is, and will always be, the Persian Gulf. 💚🤍❤️
Yeah, and Mexico wasn't a country until 1821. So the Gulf of America (the region of water between North and South America) makes more sense than a new politcally established country naming it after themselves. Everybody seems to think America and The United States are the same, they are not.
You do know the mexicas are quite older than the map of Americvs Vespvcci, right?
No, they are not. You are referring to Aztecs, they were annihilated by the spanish. But please tell me more about these ancient "Mexicans"
And before you "Well, Achtually" me, yes Olmecs were also in the region but it wasn't Mexico at the time.
It's called the Basin of Mexico, and that's were mexicans used to live, they came after the olmecs and gain power thanks to commerce in lake Texcoco, Spain conquered it and decided to keep the name Mexico and called it Reino de Mexico. That is why maps call it Golfo de Mexico, it used to belong to Spain and the Reino de Mexico and they decided how to called it. Now, do you think it should be called Gulf of Mexico or Gulf of America? What about Persian gulf or Arabian gulf?
Yes the geographic region you are taling about is about 200 miles inland and again was only known to the Aztec who, did not name the gulf. It is only later referred to as the gulf of mexico as a water rights claim by the spanish. Mexico, the region is superceeded by the Americas naming convention established by europeans as well. As the naming of the gulf of mexico was a political ploy to claim shipping route rights, I still think Gulf of America is more appropriate from a regional standpoint.
As far as Persia and the Persian Gulf or Arabian Gulf, I don't know. These are both equally political claims. To me it seems appropriate to call it the Middle Eastern Gulf. But that would include the Gulf of Oman. Regardless, the names will be whatever the maps say. It's not really up to logic.
I don't think you understand, the Reino de Mexico was where modern Estados Unidos Mexicanos is, and Spain ruled from Florida (a spanish name) to the Yucatan (part of the Reino de Mexico), there was no need for political ploy to claim shipping routes, as the islands possesed by the french are far away from the gulf. Spain used to own it and named it Gulf of Mexico. Who owns it now? Who owns the Persian gulf? Are you willing to change the Gulf of Mexico for the same reason some would change the Persian Gulf? Or different standards for different regions? It is a real pain in the ass to learn that a couple centuries ago whoever selled more maps gets to name a region, alas propaganda has always been a pain in the ass.
I am not confused. You referred (as did I) to the basin of Mexico which is in the center of modern day Mexico. I was not referring to Reino de Mexico. That region was conquered in circa 1521. 1507 is when "America" was named. The REGION is called America. This is my contention.
As I said about Persia and Arabia. These are political. Continents are less so political but an agreement made by many peoples on the names of regions. So, to be clear I don't know what to call the Persian/Arbian gulf because they are both equally politcal. I suggested the Middle Eastern Gulf.
No confusion. Just a logical deduction based on regions not countries.
Claiming the change is not political just seems disingenuous, any sane person would ask you not to change something if it's not broken, people knows it as the Gulf of Mexico, that's enough of a reason, you only speak of it because cheeto dorito did, i speak of it because people making false claims (as in "Mexico wasn't a country until 1821" when discussing Gulf of Mexico). I can see from your initial note that you keep moving the goalpost as the mexicans didn't "name it after themselves", so stop lying.
And you end up backpedaling from that initial "Yeah" in the Arabic Gulf/Persian Gulf debacle. Bye.
Lol, define Mexico. Is it a country or a region? I haven't back peddled. "Yeah well," is a transitive expression meaning I acknowledge what you said and now I have a comment.
Mexico bacame a country in 1821, where is the lie?
The conquest of the reino de mexico started 15 years after germans started calling the region America.
People change things for accuracy literally all the time so, that's a false claim as well.
I'm sorry you are so attatched to a less accurate name of a body of water. I am just a fan of being the least biased and most accurate.
A final point, you don't know me. You don't know the hours long debates over naming conventions I've had with friends into the late night hours. This is a thing of mine before old Donny of the deal brought it up. I am an anarchist, do you really think I care what presidents do?
I don’t need to define Mexico, the gulf is already called the Gulf of Mexico. You did backpedaled as you agree to the fact that no country can change the Persian gulf name just by political interest, yet here we are talking about the change of name of a gulf with a very clear political interest, and if you can’t see the political element, well that’s just ignorance. I never said you lie about the Mexico gaining independence (use proper words please, "became a country" is not a thing, u know) in 1821, please read my note again, again a very disingenuous thing to do. Nobody cares what the germans call the region except the germans. Are the germans to name the Persian Gulf too? Gulf of Mexico is accurate too, you just want your way, a very biased way, a very german way apparently. And lets not get this emotional please, so no personal information or cataloging, just be Jack.
And since you didn't seem to know this, here's the shipping access control I was talking about: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/exploring-the-early-americas/competition-for-empire.html
So heres the reason.
The Biden administration wanted to torpedo the oil industry in the United States. On day one Biden signed an Executive Order to shutdown a pipeline. Did the guy even know what he was reading?
At the end of Biden's term he signed I believe Executive Orders again that stopped new drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. That was how it was "legally" written.
President Trump simply found a work around by renaming it Gulf of America. That was pretty funny.
Now about that darn autopen problem.
I can't find much except some news on 6 January 2025 with an executive order that encompasses, among other regions, the eastern gulf of mexico, what I don't understand is why would Trump not revoke an executive order, seeing that he is president and has the same powers as the previous president. Does he not? I'm not in full knowledge of the US constitution.
I think that was why I had question that it was an Executive Order but it was because of a "legal" name dispute. It might have been a Bill it was in then.
President Trump also doesn't want to do everything with Executive Order because it can potentially be undone by the next President and the general public is also so dumb about the Constitution that the optics of being a dictator is also a concern.
In all reality none of what Biden did matters because it was a false election. They cheated in so many ways it was unreal. Once in Office the autopen was being used to sign documents and even pardons while Biden was sleeping on the beach.
When it's all said and done President Trump will have enough evidence (a lot of their own documents) to deem both Biden and Obama administrations nell and void. We just have to wait for the public to catch up to speed.
Here's a bit on the autopen issue. See the dilemma?
https://video.nostr.build/15fc81108c3d7e4fc0ccaffa701b3236854a5e66372f0af95d173b6096199abc.mp4
What is a legal right?
