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Most social medias take into account the type of the content to recommend to a user. If you like football posts it’ll recommend football stuff. Reactions are only a measure of whether the content is liked or not. Look at TikTok for example, their algorithm is great. It’s easy to blow up if you post enough quality stuff. You don’t need to have money or famous friends to push your content.

Laeserin 1y ago

That's why people don't want to move from there, to here. They know that their efforts here will not be duly rewarded. Even if they are successful, they will know that they were plucked out of obscurity by the Hand of Derek, or whatever, instead of it being a reflection of their personal effort.

Even some of the winners are losers, here, because they low-key know they didn't really do anything to deserve it.

Here it's like:

Hello and welcome to Nostr! We recommend you follow Odell, Lyn, and Carla. ☺️

Yeah, no thanks. Don't really care about Bitcoin. I would like to see posts about literature, history, and golf. 🫤

Here are posts written by Odell, Lyn, and Carla about how golf is stupid. ☺️

Okay... but like, what if I want to talk about golfing with someone who... you know... actually golfs? 🤨

Would you like to find out why Gigi thinks that life is like a bag of golfballs? ☺️

No, I would not. Okay, guess it's back to Tik-Tok. Bye. 🥴

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Jordan Eskovitz 1y ago

You know, all this reminds me of something called bitcoin. If you have not heard of bitcoin you should look into it. It is a little like golf.

Suhail 1y ago

But TikToks algorithm is well known for promoting small accounts even more than big accounts

Laeserin 1y ago

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Nostr is known for pushing large accounts really hard and burying small ones.

That's why Nostr retention rates are abysmal, and why the topics covered are expanding at such a glacial rate. Smaller npubs would create communities around new topics.

YODL 1y ago

Life is like a bag of golf balls 😂 💀

Stan Standard 1y ago

HFSP

Derek Ross 1y ago

"Hand of Derek" sounds like a cool name for a nostr badge. thank you.

jokes aside, i try to do my part by sharing not only content that interests me, but content from brand new nostriches or welcoming brand new nostriches. anything to help boost new npubs, because, as i keep saying, we have to be the algorithms.

you know as well as i do that algorithmic feeds, bots, and more are getting better at surfacing content and users. it's just a matter of time until it's done very well across many clients - IF you choose to use said tools. and when that happens, im still going to continue to surface content and users, because that's what i like to do.

Laeserin 1y ago

I also do that, with my Tiny Hand version of it, but I am against that being the main way someone gains followers or increases their reach. They shouldn't need our help to be discovered, if their content is interesting, useful, or appealing. Or, rather, our help shouldn't completely overwhelm the effect of their own effort.

Adding DVMs is not enough, to correct that. The clients have to be redesigned to focus on what is produced, rather than on who is producing it. That would prevent complacency because everyone would have to deliver, deliver, deliver to stay ahead. That would increase dynamism and make us more attractive for newcomers, as everyone could simply work hard, be consistent, find their niche, and get ahead.

Derek Ross 1y ago

I mostly agree. Everyone that wants to build their own community should have the tools to do so, but that also doesn't mean that it should be incredibly easy either. This would diminish the proof of work involved. I believe this proof of work is part of the appeal of nostr. This puts humans in charge of their attention and their content.

That said. We have technology available to us that can help here. I believe that we should have balance of proof of work and technology, a marriage that makes the task at hand easier to find your community and to build it. I don't believe going full algorithm is the way, but having them available for those to use if and when they choose isn't bad either.

7fqx 1y ago

I don't think it's personal lol, but the discovery/reach via large account reposts is a bit of a meta on nostr unfortunately, and this meta shapes the culture. And unfortunately it feels like this culture has somewhat petrified and not evolved past 'stuff big account from bitcointwitter like and endorse', and the meta of playing nostr becomes a thing unfortunately.

Discovery/recommendations definitely needs to be worked on. Your (or any other large accounts') tastes won't be for everyone. It feels a bit like a rigged system and not very open to a dynamic change.

I'm not having a go at you tho, rather this meta and how it has become just sort of accepted.

Derek Ross 1y ago

I didn't think it was personal? 🤣

But if you that it, that means it is! 🧐

Early adopters of any technology almost always benefit. I see Nostr as no different. Nostr has lots of room for growth and improvement. It's happening. While slow, it is happening. We just don't see it all that much since we're in the trenches here everyday. Just wait. Olas is gonna blow up. I'm making it my mission.

ChipTuner 1y ago

I think it's also worth mentioning this doesn't mean we need more professional influencers on nostr for everyone's brand of content, they should go back to craptok for that. Mass content consumerism is not what were after.

7fqx 1y ago

Do you like music? Here is a song about bitcoin!

Do you like art? Here is a painting of a bitcoin!

Do you like memes??? Here are memes about bitcoin!

7fqx 1y ago

Fucking grow up lol

7fqx 1y ago

I am of course exaggerating for comedic effect, but it can certainly feel a bit like this. Basically anyone making decisions about onboarding recommendations seems to be under the impression that all social media is just bitcointwitter and nothing exists outside of that stupid bubble lol.

Lucas M 1y ago

Good morning fellow hodlers! When do you think Ethereum will hit 1 million?!

🤬MUTED!

😒Okay... back to Twitter