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If we were farming in closed loop systems a lot of the points made by Bitcoiners would hit harder.

A lot of you don't realize how reliant farmers of all sizes are on various inputs that are affecting things negatively.

Vaccines: you see a lot of labeling as to no added antibiotics or hormones, but farmers of all sizes are vaccinating their animals.

-> confirm with your ranchers/farmers.

Deworming: again, the labeling takes your attention to hormones & antibiotics - but has the animal ever been dewormed pharmaceutically?

-> if it did when was the last time it received a treatment?

Hay/feed: is the hay fed to the animals sprayed?

Is the supplementary feed organic?

Minerals: is your farmer using a mineral supplement that's formulated for the animal?

If they are I guarantee you there's at least one highly nefarious ingredient in it.

For ex, "mineral oil" is a ubiquitous one & its derived from a byproduct of the petroleum refinement process.

-> solution: grow your own 💗🗽

#permies #permaculture #homestead #agriculture #ranching

AC 10mo ago

Nice to see more people waking up to this and sharing the message.

There are very valid reasons to some vaccinations in livestock. Thinking otherwise is guaranteed to lead to disaster eventually--I say this with my herd currently at risk unvaccinated. Knowing the risks one takes is more important than just blindly being vax free--same applies for humans. (I'm not pro vax or anti. Form an educated opinion and do what you think is best. If anyone has a strong opinion on this one way or the other, keep it to yourself bc IDGAF.)

Pharmaceuticals are literally unnecessary in grass based production systems on a regular basis. No exceptions. Do it right and you will never need them, except the rare sick animal, which will probably die anyway.

I have found trusted organic mineral and feed sources. They're out there, you just gotta do the work. Best to look for local organic sources and feed mills. Grains should never be fed to a ruminant.

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ShiShi21m 10mo ago

A lot of meat people love is corn finished.

I agree with you though, no grain.

I also disagree on the vaccines.

Do it the hard way, it'll be tough - animals will be lost, in the beginning especially, but your system will be stronger & we can start lineages that have moved away from the reliance on Big Pharma.

AC 10mo ago

I saw a steak recently posted here on nostr that looked more fat than muscle. Like c'mon! You're going to lose so much of that weight to cooking and it's probably all grain fat anyway. Pay for meat that's actually nutrient dense, filling, and satisfying.

I'm interested in improving genetics to the point vaccines aren't necessary (in livestock), but some things vaccines protect against are present in the soil everywhere all the time or the digestive system. It's not a matter of if, but when. And it could happen over and over and over. Genetics aren't everything. When we get to a point where genetic tests can identify which genes protect an animal from a regions common diseases that get vaccinated for I'll adjust accordingly.

In my experience, so long as the farmer has a reasonable approach to utilizing vaccinations in a meaningful, minimal way when the staunchest anti vax customers are understanding.

I've been no vax for years and have only lost one animal to tetanus. It's a cruel way to go, but I'm also considering certain vaccinations for beef because it's such a long term investment and a significantly bigger loss than previous enterprises. And I don't foresee the anti vax customer base paying 2-4x for beef that's unvaccinated for me to take that risk for them.