If we were farming in closed loop systems a lot of the points made by Bitcoiners would hit harder.

A lot of you don't realize how reliant farmers of all sizes are on various inputs that are affecting things negatively.

Vaccines: you see a lot of labeling as to no added antibiotics or hormones, but farmers of all sizes are vaccinating their animals.

-> confirm with your ranchers/farmers.

Deworming: again, the labeling takes your attention to hormones & antibiotics - but has the animal ever been dewormed pharmaceutically?

-> if it did when was the last time it received a treatment?

Hay/feed: is the hay fed to the animals sprayed?

Is the supplementary feed organic?

Minerals: is your farmer using a mineral supplement that's formulated for the animal?

If they are I guarantee you there's at least one highly nefarious ingredient in it.

For ex, "mineral oil" is a ubiquitous one & its derived from a byproduct of the petroleum refinement process.

-> solution: grow your own 💗🗽

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It’s so exhausting to keep track of all this shit. For example, I found out recently that the tallow they use at bww has seed oils mixed in. I also found out that there are certain waxes that apples are coated in even if organic. The nutrition labels don’t mention it so you have to actually call the company and go through their automated call system hell to find the answers. Oh and I found out that most salts are contaminated with toxic metals and you need to check with 3rd party testers for purity. It’s never ending.

Put in the work, reap the rewards.

Peep Maldon Salt, you can buy it in bulk tubs on Amazon.

You're right. It's wild that you have to call in. This is the level we reached as a society who trusts blindly.

And that doesn’t even guarantee that they’ll be honest or know wtf they’re talking about 😂

I watched a video of Paul Saladino call in n out customer support to ask for ingredients of their bread. And the workers didn’t know because they don’t want other companies to steal their ingredients. But it’s all shit lmao

Why the fuck are you buying bread from "companies".

Know your farmer,

Know your baker.

Ffs bake something at home with some sourdough you lazy fucks 🥲💗🫣

I don’t eat bread lol just explained what was in the video. No way to know the full ingredient list for a lot of restaurant foods. It’s proprietary information 🤡

Fuck restaurants, special occasions only.

I look at it like alcohol.

Fuck em on special occasions too. It’s garbage served at 300% markup with annoying folks that don’t know how to take a hint that the water glass doesn’t need to be filled every two friggin minutes.

Special occasions deserve a personal touch. Home cooked, and time spent at home with those that matter.

Sometimes you don’t wanna cook and just enjoy the food. Give your lady a break, get dressed up, and go out and enjoy some decent service. Definitely don’t drink that fluoride filled tap water though 😂

It’s a shared venture in this house and we do it well. Restaurants can’t touch us.

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Same here, we need to do a collab meal one day brotha! 👀💗

I’m in. 🤙🏻

Homesteader Nostr Potluck would be dope AF 💗👀

This 🎯

would be so fun if Feds weren’t lurking

I'd come just to talk worms with shishi

Worms for fishing or politicians?🤣

lol

i just remember that from arguing on twitter long ago

he was growing worms for his garden and I thought that was pretty cool

That’s dedication. Organic worms 😂

There's a few of us that are rather verified to a degree.

This wouldn't be a free for all, and either way what are the feds gonna accomplish outside of eating and supplying good food?

They might lie about bringing food without seed oils 😂

Ingredients only and we cook together :)

Would travel. Love this idea. Keep it small, test the waters. Grow it in a mindful way.

🤝🙌💗💯

I agree with J, I also usually don't order if there's isn't a wild caught grilled fish option - but a friend's bday will not be missed 💗

I have really great options around me with all local ingredients & such so I'm spoiled & I still rarely eat out.

It’s mostly social for me like dates and hanging out with friends. Always avoid the seed oils and breads.

This probably isn’t the answer you want to hear, but the only solution I’ve found is to just make my own stuff whenever possible. Obviously this is hard for things like salt, but you just gotta do the best you can.

Remember that just by having this attitude, you’re already ahead of 99.9% of people

That is the only correct answer. Most of my meals are home cooked. It’s only on social occasions like dates when I go out to eat. And I’m very careful about what I order. Never compromise on eating seed oils.

Nice to see more people waking up to this and sharing the message.

There are very valid reasons to some vaccinations in livestock. Thinking otherwise is guaranteed to lead to disaster eventually--I say this with my herd currently at risk unvaccinated. Knowing the risks one takes is more important than just blindly being vax free--same applies for humans. (I'm not pro vax or anti. Form an educated opinion and do what you think is best. If anyone has a strong opinion on this one way or the other, keep it to yourself bc IDGAF.)

Pharmaceuticals are literally unnecessary in grass based production systems on a regular basis. No exceptions. Do it right and you will never need them, except the rare sick animal, which will probably die anyway.

I have found trusted organic mineral and feed sources. They're out there, you just gotta do the work. Best to look for local organic sources and feed mills. Grains should never be fed to a ruminant.

A lot of meat people love is corn finished.

I agree with you though, no grain.

I also disagree on the vaccines.

Do it the hard way, it'll be tough - animals will be lost, in the beginning especially, but your system will be stronger & we can start lineages that have moved away from the reliance on Big Pharma.

I saw a steak recently posted here on nostr that looked more fat than muscle. Like c'mon! You're going to lose so much of that weight to cooking and it's probably all grain fat anyway. Pay for meat that's actually nutrient dense, filling, and satisfying.

I'm interested in improving genetics to the point vaccines aren't necessary (in livestock), but some things vaccines protect against are present in the soil everywhere all the time or the digestive system. It's not a matter of if, but when. And it could happen over and over and over. Genetics aren't everything. When we get to a point where genetic tests can identify which genes protect an animal from a regions common diseases that get vaccinated for I'll adjust accordingly.

In my experience, so long as the farmer has a reasonable approach to utilizing vaccinations in a meaningful, minimal way when the staunchest anti vax customers are understanding.

I've been no vax for years and have only lost one animal to tetanus. It's a cruel way to go, but I'm also considering certain vaccinations for beef because it's such a long term investment and a significantly bigger loss than previous enterprises. And I don't foresee the anti vax customer base paying 2-4x for beef that's unvaccinated for me to take that risk for them.