Cry me a river. All actions have consequences and everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. People who don’t know a thing about code have put their life saving into bitcoin and they have the right to be upset if they feel it’s being tampered with unnecessarily. Listening to what people are saying would be a more productive than playing the victim.
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what are your contributions to bitcoin?
I’m a node on the network.
running a node doesn't give you expertise on how to engineer the system, why should anyone listen to you?
Who’s telling anyone to listen to me? Am I not allowed to have an opinion unless I’m a technical engineer? Are his saying Bitcoiners only matter if they wrote code?
you can have an opinion but the value of your opinion will be basically zero unless you have put in the work like everyone else
That’s a pretty fiat mentality.
you must be new, this has been bitcoins culture since day 1
"I deserve attention even though I haven't put in the work" is fiat mentality. bitcoin is built on proof of work.
Now you sound emotional. Who’s looking for attention? I voiced an opinion and you got triggered because apparently I’m not worthy.
Just so I don’t get out of line, please let me know what the hierarchical order is when it comes to voicing an opinion. I guess all bitcoiners need to know their place.
You’re talking to a person with the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old who happened to learn how to write code. Don’t expect too much from him.
> bitcoin is built on proof of work.
I thought it was proof of leeching cheap electricity.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/this-map-shows-the-best-us-states-to-mine-for-bitcoin.html
I’m not new. And why does that even matter? That’s literally the attitude most of us are trying to get away from.
Thanks for allowing me to have an opinion. And thanks for letting me know that unless you contribute code your opinion has no value. #plebs
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
Node runners opinions should be listen bc they are the ones running the SW. Technical expertise is useless if no one will run your code. Bitcoin is a project for and to humanity, and that is the current problem with Core, this same feeling that they know better and that they don't have to listen to anyone and even mock them. Funny bc someone like Luke, Jimmy Song and others do know how to engineer the system and still Core doesn't care.
Do you truly hold the opinion that only code contributors should get to decide how bitcoin is shaped into the future? Like the huge number of people that are invested in it and have helped bitcoin achieve its current valuation are just completely disposable and any dev that submits code is instantly more correct and has truer and higher virtues and couldn't possibly be wrong about anything?
You might be bloody clever JB, but you're proving that does not automatically make you wise.
yes I believe that, because it's clear if you haven't looked at the code you are likely dumb af and shouldn't have an opinion on how the code should be structured
Yep, just like only the best Formula 1 drivers and jet pilots ever get to sit in the hot seat. Never mind that fact that 99+% of hoomans never get a chance to see if they have what it takes.
No doubt you had absolutely no cultural or class privilege that helped present to you the opportunities to become the coder you are.
To state that anyone that doesn't currently code is dumb AF is ignorant beyond belief.
I don't have an opinion how the code is structured. But every Bitcoiner that has paid real world blood and sweat to buy into this asset (where the fuck to you think the value comes from?) and intends to keep holding it deserves an opinion on how code changes effect how bitcoin functions. I, like many of us, bought into it well before this change was proposed.
If someone holds their life savings in bitcoin they've effectively contributed all the value they've created for others that that savings represents. You may think the opinions of relatively non technical users don't matter but that's just showing us how naive and arrogant you are. The code is nice and all but without people staking their life savings on it its just fancy theoretical software on someone's computer, normie bitcoiners are what make bitcoin valuable not Peter Todd's amazing coding skills.
I hold my life savings I Bitcoin and I see knots tards as a mostly harmful phenomenon to the overall goal of Bitcoin adoption
> I hold my life savings in Bitcoin
Uh oh.
Your contribution to Bitcoin seems to be a focus on centralising the blockchain.
You understand that forcing node runners to spend more money on storage, while also opening the blockchain up to illegal content is not going to help Bitcoin right?
Like seriously why?
Can you give a single reason for why you support this?
All the people arguing against it have valid reasons and their reasoning makes sense.
So far the only reasoning I've seen for supporting core is to accuse others of being pro censorship.
Well yeah, actually I do believe that child porn should be censored.
Bitcoin is money, put that garbage on a different blockchain
With respect, instead of lapping up the technically incorrect slop of the YouTube influencer-class: maybe people should put in the work to begin to understand what Bitcoin is and the very basics of how Bitcoin works BEFORE converting their life’s savings.
With respect, I don’t think that’s how it went for most people and I don’t think that’s what Satoshi tried to create. If we’re saying only the people who understand bitcoin from a technical perspective should get involved then we’re saying that 99% of people in bitcoin shouldn’t be in bitcoin and then we don’t have a bitcoin network.
I don’t think everyone needs to be a software engineer, no. What I don’t know about code could fill volumes. I’m trying to catch up, a bit every day. We should all be working to improve our skills and technical knowledge on a consistent basis.
It’s been quite rewarding not having to ask my son to bail me out every time I get stuck on a technical issue. Many won’t put in the work and maybe they’re not ready for Bitcoin. That’s cool. Sovereignty is hard and people are soft.
After you’ve mastered the tech, you need to go to an Ivy League school for seven years and get a PhD in economics & become respected in your profession
Then, you have to abandon all of that, and become a crank Austrian economics
Warming up to the idea that there’s a political layer before the technical layer
I understand what you’re saying but if bitcoin is gonna be a tool for ALL people then it has to be understood that ALL people won’t know how to code. Having contempt for people that don’t is wild. It’s the same as central bankers looking down on everyone and saying ‘you don’t understand how our system works so you don’t get a say in it’. That type of attitude is snobby and elitist at best. I’m pretty sure that most people that use the internet don’t know what the code looks like but without the people you don’t have an internet. You just have a few people playing in their own sandbox.
With respect, we've already seen what happens because the same changes were already implemented to Bitcoin cash fork.
Core are just going to create a new fork, a new spam coin with a blockchain full of childporn like bitcoin cash