core devs now have to:
- deal with legal threats
- deal with threats from social media brigades run by 2023-era "bitcoin maxi" influencers
- soul crushing and time consuming rebasing and code review
- have deep knowledge of complex cryptographic protocols, engineering and economics
who would want to work on bitcoin at this point? what's the point? to defend the network just to be attacked by lawers and angry mobs?
I will continue to work on it because fuck everyone trying to undermine what these people have been putting their heart and soul into for the past decade or more
The current b-core team hasn’t been working on Bitcoin for a decade.
Saying no to the change isn’t “undermining devs”
You are attempting psychological manipulation based on appeal to authority and not much else.
Revolutionary
you stylize them as victims - which is quite ridiculous.
they obviously dont do it for free and its also a huge privilege to commit to such an important project. Billions of people on the planet.
There are millions of programmers and tens or hundreds of thousands of cryptographers.
Not everyone gets the chance to work on bitcoin core, even if they wanted to. There is HR involved.
Bitcoin works as it is and if all coders would quit, the network would continue to operate and new ones would be found over time.
But great if they dont and that we have amazing experts in bitcoin core. Still we are all humans and nobody stops them from acknowleding mistakes and moving on or actually engaging with the criticism in substance instead of hiding behind their status and some sort of infallibility 🤷♂️
It’s disturbing how much the core defense is using Marxist victimhood and language semantics
Also, this is the logical fallacy of "appeal to tradition."
its not tradition its experience
Luckily, many of them don't engage much on social media. If they did, they would be very frustrated indeed. I for one am very thankful for their efforts. They actually do save humanity. Seems like it is always the fate of heroes, to be misunderstood until long after everything has played out.
if noone is out here defending them then misinformation grows. it's also very time consuming to refute nonsense all day. I literally have been spending all day doing just that and I doubt I have made any impact. I probably should stop wasting my time and just go back to building.
You spend one genius-hour to refute two minutes worth of idiot-time, often on someone who won't listen anyway.
It's good to choose one's battles wisely. (I stopped engaging in the debate almost completely, after doing my part trying to bring some sanity back. But I just can't watch you battle on without helping at least what little I can.)
I often wonder how many of the Knots nuts, actually even listen to Bitcoin Optech Newsletter (at a minimum)..
Seems the clickbait-emotive issues incentives have the majority of talking heads flapping mouths beyond theircomprehension levels..
Most seem completely clueless, i doubt any read that.
Maybe instead of crying you can just stop pushing ridiculous default policy changes.
Seems a bit much. Agree or disagree, I don't see the purpose of suing them (not sure about the back story around that)?
This is opensource we are talking about and there are alternatives to choose from.
You disagree? fine, make your criticism and change what you're running.
He just ignores anyone who disagrees with him.
They could just keep the OP_Return limit slider in v30.
🤷🏻
it is in v30, it was not removed. maybe stop getting your info from liars
Defaults are changed and it’s marked depreciated. Who is lying now?
If it’s there and the default isn’t changed, or there is a prompt to set the limit when setting up the node or upgrading to v30+, I don’t see why anyone would take any action to make core devs uncomfortable.
"Although Core developers will technically allow v30 node operators users to lower the data storage number via the setting “datacarriersize=”, they’ve not only changed the meaning of datacarriersize but also told users that this rejiggered configurability option will be deprecated soon anyway."
Seems there are some "forces" pushing for division with Bitcoin advocates.. Even if that force is mostly the broken incentives that make advertising revenue model SM tend towards dumpster fires..
Threats and suits against someone trying to sell ideas are empty or will fail. Ignore and pitch ideas more effectively.
I'm not buying the "devs are actually the victims in all this" narrative.
There are also plenty of Core devs who think the way other Core devs have handled this whole thing is an embarrassing joke.
People care about Bitcoin more than they care about giving devs participation trophies.
have you ever contributed to core?
No, I can barely write python.
What People Get Wrong About Bitcoin Core
Because when you contribute to core you become an Anointed one. Your sins are absolved, your soul is purified as no negative energy can permeate your overpowering aura.
imagine applying for a job and refusing to learn how any of the systems work, then complaining that your coworkers are corrupt.
Maybe something in the new bitcoin core proposal upset some people. Idk
Maybe bc of all that they should ponder before making changes that no one asked for and that put all the responsibility on themselves bc they took node runners the choice about filters.
Bitcoiners now have to:
- deal with core devs attacking Bitcoin
- deal with spam on Bitcoin monetary network
- deal with the risk of CSAM on Bitcoin monetary network
- deal with the risk of legal problems when running their nodes
- deal with social media brigades run by brainwashed brainless individuals that reject reality and technical facts
but Bitcoin is The Only Freedom Money and the strongest Hope for Humanity and the good news is that we have Bitcoin Knots, so we run it
all fear mongering bullshit
You mean your post?
BSV shitcoin experience.
It makes it hard to take you seriously when you say that.
We've already seen this play out before.
We've already seen the blockchain get forked for this exact same reason and now core wants to do it again.
Obviously the majority of bitcoiners do not want to host child porn and malware, that's why Bitcoin cash isn't popular, the blockchain is full of garbage.
Also utility coins were invented so that we could use blockchain for other shit.
Bitcoin is money, not somewhere for you to put your monkey pictures or child porn or malware or memes or whatever else.
You can put that shit somewhere else. Simple
lots of no named bots in my mentions, who the fuck are you? go away
I am clearly a real person with a name.
The way you responded to my valid concern is a huge red flag.
I just lost all respect I have for you as a dev. You're clearly a bad actor that wants to stop Bitcoin adoption.
That is the only explanation for why you'd support turning the blockchain into a child porn hosting service..
Zero arguments as always.
We have come to the point where ur clearly supporting a CSAM network infrastructure. I wish you all the worst.
Already allowed by the protocol rules on both knots and core
So which side is lobbying to make it impossible and why is your side working to make it easier and worse?
It's gonna happen soon with Bitcoin SV. 
I'm so uninformed on the Knots vs Core debate, can someone break it down for me.
Matt has many other videos on this topic, but that is just the last one that contain information about the change / problem.
Basically Core is removing options for Mempool management and increasing the OP_Return size limit. Knots is an alternative fork of core with the ability of Mempool management and the ability to adjust OP_Return to zero.
People behind knots are making this situation look way worse than it seems. (We have bigger fish to fry.) and saying that CSAM is going to be on every node. Even though ways to put the arb data on the chain has been possible even before this whole debacle. Simply because Luke and Mechanic are making alarms of issues that aren't there or highly improbable. Knots is wanting to go the route of censorship with making certain transactions invalid. Also claiming Bitcoin is going to die if we don't run Luke's fork.
While some people in Core are being stupid and way to naive in how to handle these things. Even some Core devs sucking on the dick of big shitcoins trying to use Bitcoin for their own gain. A few of them are on a high horse saying that only those who know how to code should have an opinion. While also making it fair game for Shitcoiners to try to ruin Bitcoin for their pump and dump. (Cough) Citrea (Cough)
Also Knots is a fork of core mainly maintained by just Luke, all the heavy lifting is being done by Core. I wouldn't recommend migrating to Knots due to Luke's OPSEC history. But if you are building a fresh node then run Knots if you want to have more tools under your belt. I also would say that Core needs to stop fucking with user options on how they want to run their nodes. Theyre just there to fix patches and help fine tune things that people want, not for them to decide what's good for Bitcoin.
My two sats is to keep running an older version of Core and wait for the dust to settle on this. But if you really want to be active in this run Knots to manage your Mempool the way you want to. Me I am happy with my version of Core I am using.
Watch Matthew Kratter's Bitcoin University videos on YT on the subject matter. His is always goated.
This is such a nonsensical argument. It is pseudo-intellectual, non-knowledge. I know deep down you are a very intellectual person.
how is it pseudo-intellectual, its a reality for people working on bitcoin core. wtf are you talking about
Because you are conflating two different accepts of this issue. It is not about the work involved or the skill. It is about common sense reasoning and listening to the community. It is a nonsensical argument. Then, you are putting in psychological manipulation tactics into the mix as a red-herring. Come on, you can see this right?! None of this would have happen if Peter Todd would have just left OP_RETURN alone! We just want OP_RETURN to be left alone! That is all and all the mess goes away.
why would people who know what they are doing listen to people who have no idea how bitcoin works. "listen to the community" is not a desirable objective when its been taken over by social contagion and emotion.
I hear you on this! However, it is very evident raising the limit of the OP_RETURN will cause even more bad things to happen. One does not need to be an "acclaimed software engineer" to understand it's impact. Common sense (Bad people will do bad things), reason (80 is less than 100,000), and history (BSV) can prove it to be so.
So don't store those OP_RETURNs. These are not needed for the validation, excluded from UTXO set...
wtf. 1 - bc the community are the node runners that make up the network. 2 - Bc well, filters where put there also by people that knew what they where doing.
They’re not freedom fighters, they write code.
Just shut up and code.
If their choices cause their software to not be used, another free market competitor will be used.
Just do better and stop whining.
As much as it is challenging, it's not like working in a fucking coal mine.
It can be done. People, men in particular, can't expect to have it easy.
Knots is cool but I told ppl core is gonna be tough to out do and idk if knots is objectively better then core ….
It's not core vs knots.
It's spammers vs Bitcoin.
What core are doing will probably end up creating a fork like Bitcoin cash.
Allowing child porn on the blockchain honestly only makes sense as an attack against Bitcoin, trying to make node running illegal, trying centralise control
Has anyone explained why leaving things as is (regarding op_return) hurts anything?
When your mess is resolved put your business and personal stuff in an offshore trust. There are one or two that cannot be compromised regardless any warrant.
Better yet look into it with an attorney who won’t try to steer you before-hand to a trust with less security.
Your business and family financials can be insulated from threats.
An interesting case is “The Business Guy.” Plain talk. For people with a lot of assets or building assets.
They ain’t cheap!
If you face personal threats, does Canada allow gun ownership in the home? Not talking about that go and hide crap mentioned the other day.
There is a great security oriented family; Wesson and his bro Smith; their big brother G. Lock; Uncle Mossberg; cousins AR and AK, and many others. They are best as deterrents.
I’ve had to convince a man, beating on my door in the midnight hours, to not make me “put that thang in his brain and leave you open minded, (apologies to Willie D./Geto Boys.)
I’d never want to do it but if it is me or you…
Or, get a security team. But don’t let these fools out here run you ragged.
You want your boy, later in his life “Yeah, my daddy fought them mofos and kicked their ass.
Even if you take “Ls,” it is most important that kids remember dad as fighter for right.
That’s my dad, his dad, his dad, and how my son remembers me now. And he is in our footsteps. Yeah I’m bursting!!🙌🏾
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Lies
Cry me a river. All actions have consequences and everyone has to take responsibility for their actions. People who don’t know a thing about code have put their life saving into bitcoin and they have the right to be upset if they feel it’s being tampered with unnecessarily. Listening to what people are saying would be a more productive than playing the victim.
what are your contributions to bitcoin?
I’m a node on the network.
running a node doesn't give you expertise on how to engineer the system, why should anyone listen to you?
Who’s telling anyone to listen to me? Am I not allowed to have an opinion unless I’m a technical engineer? Are his saying Bitcoiners only matter if they wrote code?
you can have an opinion but the value of your opinion will be basically zero unless you have put in the work like everyone else
That’s a pretty fiat mentality.
you must be new, this has been bitcoins culture since day 1
"I deserve attention even though I haven't put in the work" is fiat mentality. bitcoin is built on proof of work.
Now you sound emotional. Who’s looking for attention? I voiced an opinion and you got triggered because apparently I’m not worthy.
Just so I don’t get out of line, please let me know what the hierarchical order is when it comes to voicing an opinion. I guess all bitcoiners need to know their place.
You’re talking to a person with the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old who happened to learn how to write code. Don’t expect too much from him.
> bitcoin is built on proof of work.
I thought it was proof of leeching cheap electricity.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/this-map-shows-the-best-us-states-to-mine-for-bitcoin.html
I’m not new. And why does that even matter? That’s literally the attitude most of us are trying to get away from.
Thanks for allowing me to have an opinion. And thanks for letting me know that unless you contribute code your opinion has no value. #plebs
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
Node runners opinions should be listen bc they are the ones running the SW. Technical expertise is useless if no one will run your code. Bitcoin is a project for and to humanity, and that is the current problem with Core, this same feeling that they know better and that they don't have to listen to anyone and even mock them. Funny bc someone like Luke, Jimmy Song and others do know how to engineer the system and still Core doesn't care.
Do you truly hold the opinion that only code contributors should get to decide how bitcoin is shaped into the future? Like the huge number of people that are invested in it and have helped bitcoin achieve its current valuation are just completely disposable and any dev that submits code is instantly more correct and has truer and higher virtues and couldn't possibly be wrong about anything?
You might be bloody clever JB, but you're proving that does not automatically make you wise.
yes I believe that, because it's clear if you haven't looked at the code you are likely dumb af and shouldn't have an opinion on how the code should be structured
Yep, just like only the best Formula 1 drivers and jet pilots ever get to sit in the hot seat. Never mind that fact that 99+% of hoomans never get a chance to see if they have what it takes.
No doubt you had absolutely no cultural or class privilege that helped present to you the opportunities to become the coder you are.
To state that anyone that doesn't currently code is dumb AF is ignorant beyond belief.
I don't have an opinion how the code is structured. But every Bitcoiner that has paid real world blood and sweat to buy into this asset (where the fuck to you think the value comes from?) and intends to keep holding it deserves an opinion on how code changes effect how bitcoin functions. I, like many of us, bought into it well before this change was proposed.
If someone holds their life savings in bitcoin they've effectively contributed all the value they've created for others that that savings represents. You may think the opinions of relatively non technical users don't matter but that's just showing us how naive and arrogant you are. The code is nice and all but without people staking their life savings on it its just fancy theoretical software on someone's computer, normie bitcoiners are what make bitcoin valuable not Peter Todd's amazing coding skills.
I hold my life savings I Bitcoin and I see knots tards as a mostly harmful phenomenon to the overall goal of Bitcoin adoption
> I hold my life savings in Bitcoin
Uh oh.
Your contribution to Bitcoin seems to be a focus on centralising the blockchain.
You understand that forcing node runners to spend more money on storage, while also opening the blockchain up to illegal content is not going to help Bitcoin right?
Like seriously why?
Can you give a single reason for why you support this?
All the people arguing against it have valid reasons and their reasoning makes sense.
So far the only reasoning I've seen for supporting core is to accuse others of being pro censorship.
Well yeah, actually I do believe that child porn should be censored.
Bitcoin is money, put that garbage on a different blockchain
With respect, instead of lapping up the technically incorrect slop of the YouTube influencer-class: maybe people should put in the work to begin to understand what Bitcoin is and the very basics of how Bitcoin works BEFORE converting their life’s savings.
With respect, I don’t think that’s how it went for most people and I don’t think that’s what Satoshi tried to create. If we’re saying only the people who understand bitcoin from a technical perspective should get involved then we’re saying that 99% of people in bitcoin shouldn’t be in bitcoin and then we don’t have a bitcoin network.
I don’t think everyone needs to be a software engineer, no. What I don’t know about code could fill volumes. I’m trying to catch up, a bit every day. We should all be working to improve our skills and technical knowledge on a consistent basis.
It’s been quite rewarding not having to ask my son to bail me out every time I get stuck on a technical issue. Many won’t put in the work and maybe they’re not ready for Bitcoin. That’s cool. Sovereignty is hard and people are soft.
After you’ve mastered the tech, you need to go to an Ivy League school for seven years and get a PhD in economics & become respected in your profession
Then, you have to abandon all of that, and become a crank Austrian economics
Warming up to the idea that there’s a political layer before the technical layer
I understand what you’re saying but if bitcoin is gonna be a tool for ALL people then it has to be understood that ALL people won’t know how to code. Having contempt for people that don’t is wild. It’s the same as central bankers looking down on everyone and saying ‘you don’t understand how our system works so you don’t get a say in it’. That type of attitude is snobby and elitist at best. I’m pretty sure that most people that use the internet don’t know what the code looks like but without the people you don’t have an internet. You just have a few people playing in their own sandbox.
With respect, we've already seen what happens because the same changes were already implemented to Bitcoin cash fork.
Core are just going to create a new fork, a new spam coin with a blockchain full of childporn like bitcoin cash
Nobody said it would be easy to work on the most important open source project humanity has ever undertaken.
Imagine what the original cypherpunks who didn’t sell out still deal with
Maybe they should just stop working on it.. Any serious security threat will be patched by someone who gives a shit. Any other change is superfluous and unnecessary and should be left alone.
Have you ever used a piece of abandoned software?
Bitcoin wont be “abandoned software” anytime soon. As long as it’s worth something it’ll be worth someone’s time to fix critical bugs. The last 10+ years there haven’t been any meaningful changes to core that were completely necessary (segwit / taproot were not necessary). If there a major disincentive for people to tinker I think that is a very good thing.
"it's decentralized"
Hence why the pool is so small and tending to shrink rather than grow
yup, slowly turning into Idiocracy thanks to knots tards
You are like a middle school child, calling people retards because they opted out of Bitcoin HardCore software.
Children should not be anywhere near the most important code of our lifetime.
Core Devs are implementing the same changes that created the bitcoin cash fork(the Bitcoin cash blockchain is full of child porn and malware we already know what's going to happen)
“Defend the network”
Just some thoughts... not hate.
- deal with legal threats
What are they doing that could land them in court? Actions always have consequences. A shit poster online saying they're going to take you to court online isn't a threat (If they're even real and not bots). When the paperwork shows up then it's a "threat". Maybe they should consider that they could be on the wrong side of the law/issue.
- deal with threats from social media brigades run by 2023-era "bitcoin maxi" influencers.
Again what threats? I only sasee the odd over the top person, most people just don't want non-monetary stuff. Sorry to hear if people or bots are sending threatening messages, it's bullshit. I hope you don't consider the people who understand a lot of topics, including incentives and technical details and are willing to put their thoughts out there, noise. Seems that core devs aren't really listening to some of the deeper arguments. I see a lot of pro-core devs/people saying its a bunch of noise, but then they don't even counter the points given. Just because someone is new to bitcoin doesn't mean they don't understand or haven't done their homework.
- soul crushing and time consuming rebasing and code review
What? You choose what's worth doing. How does this not apply to any other project, especially project that is voluntary? There is always grunt work to be done, but you do it because it's worthwhile.
- have deep knowledge of complex cryptographic protocols, engineering and economics
Devs didn't need to have this before? I would hope understanding the project deeply would be a requirement when you're making decisions for it, especially when they can have large consequences for a monetary network of people's savings. Many of the core devs think people commenting on these issues need to be super enlightened, so why wouldn't the core devs need this too? We all have things to learn, that's why we use others to give feedback.
I can understand being new and helping out with minor fixes and features, but when it comes to policy and far reaching changes, you'd better know your stuff and trying to figure out how it's going to effect things in the future.
We have an incredible pool of talent, so use it.
Core Devs started this latest fiasco by “let them eat cake”.
Sounds like a really good time to go anon
They dug their own grave on v30. Antagonizing the other side for voicing concerns doesn't help your case. You come off like an emotional child in these replies.
With the xz utils / jia tan exploit pressure was put on the maintainer until they got their person in charge.
Yes very sad that you gays have pushed it this far. Core devs have done severe damag3 to their owm safety.
Wait until we start validating child porn…then things get REALLY legally troubling…or has that been the Trojan horse all along.
knots will too, and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it. The knots people sure want to make this a hot button issue eh? Then ya’ll are becoming a serious threat to bitcoin. How about shut the fuck up?
At the end of the day I thought anyone could run any version they want. The point is no one group deciding anything, be it core, knots, miners, traders, governments, etc. What’s nice about bitcoin is that eventually the problems will flush out and be addressed. Everyone attacking or insisting one way or the other is fighting an unnecessary battle. Knots guys run knots, core guys run core, LTS guys run v24, some weirdos running version 1. And why can’t code suggestions and contributions be anonymous or psuedononymous? People can run sandbox versions, have AI look at it, and use what they want from it. It’s open source, run and modify whatever you want.
Am I missing something?
STFU? Found the jew that loves to diddle the kiddos.
I have nothing against core developers but they failed at reacting to the topic in such a bad way that this is what happened.
defending the network is here an assumption
yes because me and the 100s of people who have been contributing for the past decade just all of a sudden wants to destroy bitcoin. People need to give their head a shake.
What exactly have you contributed to Bitcoin code? I'm sure you contributed less than op return nackers such as nostr:nprofile1qqsqyredyxhqn0e4ln0mvh0v79rchpr0taeg4vcvt64te4kssx5pc0sprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0uf7t3z and nostr:nprofile1qqs0m40g76hqmwqhhc9hrk3qfxxpsp5k3k9xgk24nsjf7v305u6xffcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcwc656e. Make it make sense. It seems you and nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qrxnfk have external motives to be honest. You guys are trying too much and not really addressing the ussue.
I didn't knots people cared about credentialism, but I guess thats fair. so here are mine.
there are ~1234 contributors to bitcoin. in terms of raw contributions mine would be 188/1234:
https://cdn.jb55.com/s/4104d140cd815d77.txt#:~:text=William%20Casarin
If adam has contributed he must be doing it under a nym since I don't see any commits from him.
my commits: https://cdn.jb55.com/s/8b84ea34bec4caac.txt
I worked on usdt tracing and performance optimizations. I am by no means a frequent contributor, I mainly work on lightning tech.
things I've worked on:
core-lightning: https://cdn.jb55.com/s/283cc3006988b7b4.txt
lnsocket - a C/rust library for talking to lightning network nodes https://github.com/jb55/lnsocket-rs
btcs - a bitcoin toy bitcoin script interpreter https://github.com/jb55/btcs
bitcointap - A tool for tapping into bitcoin-core tracepoints to extract data in realtime:
https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/bitcointap-an-strace-like-tool-for-bitcoin-ebpf-usdt-tracepoints/1694
opentimestamps: i put together the haskell implementation of ots, and built a suite of tools that work with them: https://github.com/jb55/ots-tools
I maintain the "bitcoin" nodejs rpc lib: https://npmrepo.com/bitcoin
I've hacked on HWI and helped with a lot of the bitcoin-nix infrastructure.
I've also been around since 2010 and have a decent understanding how various parts of the codebase work, especially on the script side.
what about you?
Mr. Back's work is in the citations of the whitepaper and Luke got way more credentials, so do the other nackers who are in the top rows. I, unfortunately, only started on this journey in 2017, but I am constantly learning. I try to remain unbiased and wrote about the issue my thoughts. More nuanced approach would be appreciated if you are with the ackers.
And, to be honest, I don't run knots, I run core 29.0.0 and intend to run it for the upcoming few years. I surely won't be upgrading to v30 any time soon.
i'm going in the opposite direction. I want more freedom not less, so I am patching my node to run without any filtering (libre relay)
You are so good in what you do .
Libre relay has been around for ages, you've been running that all this time? I would assume you were on Core
yes i run core, but i rebased libre relay and it wasn’t difficult so that made me impressed enough to try it
I have been very anti paternalistic filtering since the very early days of bitcoin, which is why i’m probably so anti knots since they want to add more filters not less.
I understand there's a need to relax the data carrier limits for new use cases but opening it up to the max block size seems like an overshoot. I want to retain the optionality, though I understand that, after block confirmation, my node will end up storing the data that guys like yourself relayed to the miners. It's a catch 22.
its just relaxing the filters to what is actually reflected in the protocol rules. The more divergence between relay policy and consensus rules and economic activity, the less accurate your node is when doing fee estimation.
> its just relaxing the filters to what is actually reflected in the protocol rules.
Which is the max block size.
> the less accurate your node is when doing fee estimation.
I never had a substantial discrepancy in fee estimates.
I don't think there are many new attack vectors introduced by these changes but still, as good practice, no upgrading to newer versions before they have been out for a prolonged time.
It surely will lead to a cleaner code, that I agree.
yes max block size, something you can relay today on libre relay and get it in into a block with 0 issues. its not done because its undiscounted and non-economical. people would use witness space for this instead.
In essence, it's not done because the propagation path is scarce. The more widespread Libre Relay nodes are, the more reliable and censorship-resistant the OP_RETURN data storage becomes in the Bitcoin blockchain. At 1%, it's niche and fragile; at 20%, it starts to significantly improve reach.
unfortunately this is not true. you get 100% deliverability with about 5 nodes
Only if they know a miner running liver relay and have him in their peer; oherwise, it seems not plausible.
miners do run with very few filters, because they are economically motivated to do so
Given that Inscription based fees represent only a negligible (~0.1%) addition to miner profits after hashrate and cost adjustments, and with added risk of transmitting illicit material, miners might be more careful in accepting 4MB files for confirmation, don't you think?
are you asking if miners are going to start widespread censoring of valid transactions in bitcoin? i doubt it. even if one did another wouldn't. otherwise bitcoin wouldn't be censorship resistant.
No, they can easily not update to v30 or not run libre relay, but instead continue running v29 with their data carrier preferences and still be within protocol rules. They would thus be exercising their choice. If more become aware of this, the propagation path would remain niche and limited. It's their choice to make. Looking forward to seeing how this unravels.
you can't stop economically motivated actors from getting around it. its not hard to run libre relay over core or knots.
This is like claiming there's no risk/reward. For negligent upside and exceeding risks, they might choose not to. If most chooses not to, the propagation path remains limited, as currently. These are just possible scenarios, you might be correct to bet on human greed.
One does nit have to call it greed. But it is the best bet, that a majority is intrested in a working businessmodel. And inclusive businessmodels offer more opportunity than exclusive ones.
Given below is a try at unbiased assessment of the perspectives from both sides. A nuanced approach is key here, no need to attack and belittle each other.
nostr:naddr1qqxnzde4xcurqv3e8yunvdfsqythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnp0faxzmt09ehx2ap0qgs9zs7rw003k4y2wltea360yuj46y5md9d4yt0mt06rfx96fdgpm7grqsqqqa28m608ea
I am kind of mix feeling , though I never contribute to core dev due to my limited knowledge , I knew spam is annoying and having filter seems such a great idea . 💡 dilemma : to filter or not to filter
that's nonsense
Not meant to discredit contribution , but you can’t just assume that it’s positive (though its intention almost 100% is)
"who would want to work on bitcoin at this point?"
me
"what's the point?"
there is no point. i do it to spite my enemies.
Nobody forced them to work and they are all paid money for it.
Solution set: Cancel Core V30 and retire. The threat is more than legal at this point.
I hate this victim mentality like core contributors are paupers. Why work on it?
If they're smart, the average Core dev has tens of millions in bitcoin at this point. They should protect their biggest asset. And regardless of how you feel about this particular filters issue, they made numerous unforced errors with the way they rolled out and communicated the change.
I hate to say it but this is why corporations use project managers and product people. Insulate engineers from public facing comments. Putting your foot your mouth can wreck a project - even FOSS.
Then go home. I run knots anyway
no i wont, because i don’t want bitcoin to die in the hands of retards like you
Tbh this sounds like an epic responsibility description.
Odyssey for devs with cojones only.
Playing the victim card is pathetic. The expectation that core devs can do whatever they want without any negative response from node runners shows how inconsequential you think Bitcoin is. This isn't your average, sleepy foss project with a few hundred users who all completely trust the devs. This is the most important foss project in history and the behavior of core recently has been unbelievably irresponsible. I don't condone the worst behavior, but sadly this will always be present on the internet. So either accept that reality or work on something else. And maybe try listening to your users instead of insulting them.
Couldn't agree more.
Cry harder, don’t work on core then, fork it into some personal project no one uses and do whatever you want.
Are you going to start developing then? Or just emote the change you wish to see in the world?
If reviewing code for #bitcoin is "soul-crushing" to you, that's probably a clear signal that you should step aside. stick to nostr apps or whatever actually gives you a sense of meaning.
Perhaps also it is soul crushing for you because you and the Core devs are deliberately violating established and necessary principles of mempool filters to protect our beloved timechain, against the clear wishes of our community. Maybe listen to that feeling inside and change course.
You make it sound like having deep knowledge is a burden. If it's not for you, please step aside and follow your purpose whatever it is
I wish all well, I felt terrible sorry to hear that core dev get legal threats ! Thats not fair , after all the hard work and contributions to the development and end up like this .
You right . If things not getting better , who wants to
Work at BTC project at this point ?
Pushing contentious changes causes more contention.
😥
Lmao bitcoin != core
poor opensource developer "team"
