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nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl is doing great work in articulating this position. Tune in to understand what's happening.

This feels like a critical point for the social aspect of Nostr.

Not quite the 'blocksize wars' but there's definitely something going on, and it's more than just innovative developers getting criticized by laggards. Edits are to this 'new free speech experience' what backdoors are to encryption.

It's really that serious.

So I continue to wonder if there's some deliberate mischief-making and chaos-sowing, to how resilient this thing is already, and whether it's likely to become a threat to the self-styled overlords. For example, incentives are not aligned, if Vitor breaks the Nostr social experience from the inside, he gains favor from his current and previous clients, and can 'frame' the experience in a professional/respectable way on his CV, with no personal accountability.

Slay your heros and think clearly. nostr:npub1sqaxzwvh5fhgw9q3d7v658ucapvfeds3dcd2587fcwyesn7dnwuqt2r45v warned us about this a year ago, wish I could find the old notes, I've been uneasy every since. nostr:npub1lxktpvp5cnq3wl5ctu2x88e30mc0ahh8v47qvzc5dmneqqjrzlkqpm5xlc is another npub who helps clear the cobwebs from my mind every so often. Gather such people into your virtual council chamber and listen carefully, the prophetic voices are a gift.

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Azz 1y ago

Maybe it's ADHD, but I see the use for edit. The number of times I post something then realise I forgot to articulate a key point.

As long as it's obvious an edit has been made and the history readable, it's not really white washing.

Delete is a bigger problem, but it wouldn't be hard to run relays that don't honour delete to archive notes, particularly of important accounts.

I don't think we will see lots of grammar Nazis trying to polish everyone's notes. Edit allows collaboration, which has its place.

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Nobody 1y ago

This isn't about editing yourself.

It's about other users editing your notes. Rather than having a conversation with on where they disagree, they can now passively aggressively send you rightspeak edits to your speech.

Two completely different experiences.

Azz 1y ago

You can reject the suggestion.

Nobody 1y ago

Sure, but you're not answering my point.

It seems highly probable to me that once a few SJWs and snowflakes arrive on nostr they will be forking (aka censoring) everyone with their PC ways of speaking. Forking allows a passive agressive underhanded means of doing it, rather than open discussion. Free speech and open discussion with a wide array of intelligent people is why I'm here. Anything that openly divides the nostr user base causes the whole protocol to lose its value, in my opinion.

Azz 1y ago

I'm not sure I'm following. No one can edit my note without my approval. If they fork it, it's the same as copy paste as it shows them as the author.

Nobody 1y ago

Does it 🤔 maybe I've been misunderstanding how forking works.

Low Information Voter 1y ago

I will be blocking those people and rejecting their edits.

But it sounds very annoying! A new path for low-effort dDoS of targeted accounts, like our current crop of "reply bots" but less obvious...

Nobody 1y ago

Yes, it does sound annoying. I think an opt out option should be provided, but that's being rejected. Currently looking for an alternative to Amethyst... Any ideas?

Low Information Voter 1y ago

I'm waiting to see Michael J's library - nostr:nevent1qqspyc7xkg5lr049smcw420gm73vqucx6d6d80ycg3gkryqckv3chlcprfmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdaksygrszgsjsfemmsr6lxl8wf06t39uplq5dpntasudgsmqm39udnqchypsgqqqqqqshuad5d

That will make it very easy for people with minimal programming talent (me, even!) to spin up new clients of all different sorts!

Nobody 1y ago

Ooh, very interesting indeed. I guess for now I just have to be patient with the nostr protocol.

MichaelJ 1y ago

Give it some time, I'm working on this and other Nostr-related projects about an hour per day, so it's slow going, at times. I'll try to make each release self-contained and stable, though, so people can pick it up early and benefit from updates as they come out.