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Throughout Bitcoin's history, many developers became frustrated with Bitcoin and started their own shitcoin projects, simply because they never understood that Bitcoin is and should be very boring.

You can't flood Bitcoin with features, first because it doesn't need them, and second because it's not in its nature or its purpose.

This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin needs second and third layers, to maintain decentralization and security in its base layer, relegating scalability and new features to second layers.

This is still not understood, from what I can see. The new Core developers want Bitcoin to be the new Ethereum.

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Des Imoto マキシ 4mo ago

💯 That’s why we knots, for now.

Parallel Structures 4mo ago

If they move towards block size increases, the masses may realize that bsv/bch already have operating blockchains with larger blocks. It could trigger a large fluctuation of capital. They have to play their cards right

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

I often feel like I'm preaching in the desert, but I'm usually right.

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Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

Second layers require features in bitcoin to work trustlessly

One day bitcoiners that think otherwise will understand

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

That's true, and I defend it as CTV, but there are concessions such as removing the op_return limit for Citrea that are a huge mistake.

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

Consensus rules are on top of policy rules

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

It's funny how, up until version 25 of the core, we all agreed on the filters.

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

You can’t ban consensus rules with policy .. eventually they’ll find its way

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

This is another problem to address, and the solution is not to allow spam because ultimately you are damaging decentralization because bitcoin will be used for many things it was not designed for.

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

Consensus is what matters in the end.

And in fact this is very important because otherwise someone can come with 50 thousand raspberries and run a new version of core forcing rules that we may not have agreed with

So likely attacking bitcoin is not that cheap

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

Once again, up until version 25, we agreed with the filters. What has changed?

So we also removed protection against DDoS attacks, which is not part of the consensus?

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

Thinking that with bunch of raspberries running non consensus set of filters you can enforce new rules is another attack and luckily bitcoin can resist to it

DDoS attack you can spin up thousands of nodes without it and still bitcoin will resist ..

So in the end.. consensus or exit

Everything else is irrelevant

And by the way, the same people who dislikes op_return are opposed to op_ctv, op_cat etc

Should they have agreed with it, we wouldn’t be having this op_return debate and all the jpegs and stuff would live in other layers

Cyph3rp9nk 4mo ago

You're telling a lot of lies.

First of all, the filters worked up to version 25. If now it's a person who decides the filters (which is also a lie because knots has more and more developers), it's because core refused to fix the bug.

Your claim about the DDOS attack is nonsense. DDOS is there to protect your node and make it usable.

Many people who support Knots support CTV. In fact, it is likely that CTV will be implemented first in Knots.

In fact, everyone who criticizes Knots is always the same: shitcoiners, samurai, monero, and other crap.

Nicolas ₿ ⚡️ 🇦🇷🧉🤙💜 4mo ago

I’m simply saying that unless consensus is achieved then anything else is just trying to cure cancer with bandaid

DDoS is not consensus.. simply an obvious local protection that whoever runs nodes would want to have

Maybe wrong about ctv and if there is consensus then that’s where discussion should be and together with that then we can all review if having that data in op returns make sense

That said, if we use bitcoin enough we can price out all that garbage… if we enable more use cases like ctv then base layer would simply be expensive for garbage and there would be incentives for them to do it on second layers

samuel 4mo ago

“you have the greatest freedom technology so long as you can keep it”

:) Wall Street is wrong on ETH etf. This will end badly. Wall streeters don’t understand Eth or they would run and hide

So scenario:

1. Btc adds Eth capabilities

2. Btc switches to proof of stake

3. Btc POS nodes censor traffic based on social credit score.

4. Btc becomes hijacked by central backs as one world currency