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His opinion tries to provocate in the wrong direction. No one wants hard fork.

We just stand for the Bitcoin principles.

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My point about this is the peasants are being upset about something that really doesn't affect Bitcoin in any notable way.

Core is Peer Reviewed, from a technical standpoint core has less implementation flaws, and is the safer software to run.

Just because something isn't visible to you doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Using Fee Markets are a better disincentive than filters are.

Now to clarify, I think Luke Dash jr. is a smart guy, and means well, and I'm sure most of the Knots people mean well too but they're conflating non-issues into issues.

But Bitcoin Core is bought out by Big Bitcoin also, primarily Blockstream.

Knots won't fix Bitcoin because Bitcoins problems are bigger than someone tying a picture to a UTXO which could be interpreted many different ways by different software wallets.

Financial transactions require additional data in some cases, and removing or limiting OP_Return could limit the financial transaction that could be done on Bitcoin.

If you want a Cryptocurrency that limited its additional transaction data, and focuses only on Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash Systems while maintaining privacy monero works better.

Knots is incompatible with privacy preserving tools like RoninDojo.

The Knots people need to stop being disingenuous about the issue, and saying core supporters supporters support CSAM.

I don't think Luke Dash Jr. is a Federal Agent but I think both sides have a financial stake in the updates, which is why so much FUD about "The Other Bitcoin" is being deployed.

At least with a hard fork then the debate about this will end completely since both projects can focus on making their "Bitcoin" the way they want it instead of complaining about Bitcoiners who aren't following their node of choice.

Bitcoin is permissionless, I don't care what node you run, run v29, v30, knots, knobs, or Bitcoin Cash if you want but don't make the debate about people who disagree with you are evil.

Because core people aren't evil because if they were then they would be working for fiat systems instead of curating a Permissionless Cash system.

If people wanted to use Bitcoin for csam they would find other ways to do it but anyone with a brain would know that a proper mechanism would be built to prevent this, or that people would accept it as a nature of Bitcoin's permissionless behavior.

Like I said Fee Markets are the best determination, make Data transactions more expensive than Monetary transactions, and this problem prices itself out of the market, eventually even state actors wouldn't be able to maintain a sustained attack.

Grok on inscription attacks.

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BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago 💬 2

You have really taken in all bad core's propaganda without any logical thought.

"My point about this is the peasants are being upset about something that really doesn't affect Bitcoin in any notable way."

- Bitcoiners are Plebs, not peasants. Blowing up OP_RETURN affects Bitcoin in a destructive way.

"Core is Peer Reviewed, from a technical standpoint core has less implementation flaws, and is the safer software to run."

- Bitcoin Knots is Core + filters, also at least 10 Bitcoin developers contribute to it. Core is not safer.

"Just because something isn't visible to you doesn't mean it isn't happening."

- Doesn't the same apply to you too?

"Using Fee Markets are a better disincentive than filters are."

- Using BOTH filters AND fee market is even BETTER.

"Now to clarify, I think Luke Dash jr. is a smart guy, and means well, and I'm sure most of the Knots people mean well too but they're conflating non-issues into issues."

- You are not the one who tells who is "conflating" what and you are actually wrong again.

"But Bitcoin Core is bought out by Big Bitcoin also, primarily Blockstream."

- Not sure what you mean here. Any sources or evidence?

"Knots won't fix Bitcoin because Bitcoins problems are bigger than someone tying a picture to a UTXO which could be interpreted many different ways by different software wallets."

- We first fix the major risk and then we address lesser risks. Also you don't state any of these "bigger problems"?

"Financial transactions require additional data in some cases, and removing or limiting OP_Return could limit the financial transaction that could be done on Bitcoin."

- Bitcoin Knots defaults to 42 Bytes OP_RETURN. I run it with the defaults. Also in what exact way "could limit the financial transaction"?

"If you want a Cryptocurrency that limited its additional transaction data, and focuses only on Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash Systems while maintaining privacy monero works better."

- Go fuck yourself, retarded shitcoiner.

"Knots is incompatible with privacy preserving tools like RoninDojo"

- What is "RoninDojo" and why it is significant to Bitcoin Freedom Money?

"The Knots people need to stop being disingenuous about the issue, and saying core supporters supporters support CSAM."

- "After Bitcoin SV (BSV) Node developers and miners lifted the OP_Return data size limits to 100KB, activity immediately took off as users started posting texts, videos and even pictures. Unfortunately, among these posts was apparently (not yet confirmed) a piece of illegal content involving alleged child exploitation material, The Next Web reported."

"I don't think Luke Dash Jr. is a Federal Agent but I think both sides have a financial stake in the updates, which is why so much FUD about "The Other Bitcoin" is being deployed."

- Is that some kind of retarded propaganda including key words like "The Other Bitcoin", "Federal Agent", "FUD"?

"At least with a hard fork then the debate about this will end completely since both projects can focus on making their "Bitcoin" the way they want it instead of complaining about Bitcoiners who aren't following their node of choice."

- No one wants hard fork, you fucking retard. Bitcoiners are freedom maximalists who defend their principles and Bitcoin being Freedom Sovereign Money. Its obvious you want to provocate "hard fork".

"Bitcoin is permissionless, I don't care what node you run, run v29, v30, knots, knobs, or Bitcoin Cash if you want but don't make the debate about people who disagree with you are evil."

- People who try to exploit Bitcoin, who try to manipulate others and are dishonest are evil. Some are just brainwashed retards, like you maybe.

"Because core people aren't evil because if they were then they would be working for fiat systems instead of curating a Permissionless Cash system."

- Corruption is a bitch. Corruption unleashes the worst from people. But you have your own opinion and thats fine.

"If people wanted to use Bitcoin for csam they would find other ways to do it but anyone with a brain would know that a proper mechanism would be built to prevent this, or that people would accept it as a nature of Bitcoin's permissionless behavior."

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"Like I said Fee Markets are the best determination, make Data transactions more expensive than Monetary transactions, and this problem prices itself out of the market, eventually even state actors wouldn't be able to maintain a sustained attack."

- You didn't say anything logical. Filters work together with fee markets.

BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago

Wow, I could have just looked at his profile before wasting my time.

I mean, why is a Monero shitcoiner defending Core?

Jordan S 3mo ago 💬 2

Yeah, I put that in my profile to scare away NGUs who only want to use Bitcoin as a Fiat Appreciation Tool instead of as a Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.

I use Bitcoin as money, I spend and replace but I also use monero.

Growing up is realizing The future is Multi-coin, if one vendor wants coin a but you only have coin b that will cause issues, which is why I use multiple coins like Bitcoin, Monero, and Zcash, or whatever I have to for financial transactions.

I've also used Bitcoin Cash, and Dash in some instances, I also own an NFT.

But my point is, is that for bitcoin to grow and innovate it needs competition.

Either Bitcoin can compete, or it can't, The Current Bitcoin Culture is too fragile, sensitive, and woke refusing to acknowledge any issues, and any complaint they do make is usually minor insignificant stuff like Knots.

I don't care what version you run because personally I will use the version that vendors accept, if that's Bitcoin Core, or Knots then great it spends all the same to me, I know right now they're both still "Bitcoin" but either Bitcoin Core will have to become Bitcoin Classic, or Knots will have to become Knots coin if this adversial, and hostile environment in Bitcoin continues.

People are so emotionally involved in a debate where they're willing to lie, and call their opponents Nazi, and Pedophiles over updates that changes like one, or two things at best.

BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago

Your bullshit stinks. Study Bitcoin.

Jordan S 3mo ago 💬 2

I knew about Bitcoin back in ~2014 - 2016, I was around playing with electrum wallet, mining on a shitty dell laptop, and using faucets bro.

I even remember The Double Your Bitcoin days.

But I went through my NGU phase in 2016 until I came back to Bitcoin in 2021, and studied it more.

Owned a ledger before other hardware wallets even existed.

I've studied it, and I see it that it was a good prototype, it served its purpose, and now it's outdated technology.

Either Bitcoin innovates, or it dies.

Right now Bitcoin Cash operates better as Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System than the current "Bitcoin" does.

I was talking about Bitcoin to everybody in 2021 to 2023 but then around 2024 I've become completely disillusioned by bitcoin when I saw what it's become.

BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago

Innovate Monero. Oh yeah, you already do it.

51% attack after 15 hard forks?

Jordan S 3mo ago 💬 4

And monero responded to the block reorganization by increasing decentralized hash rate, mitigating the problem, and devs are exploring options to prevent it from happening again.

It wasn't a 51% attack, they just created "valid" new blocks faster than the rest of the network could, a 51% attack would've let them go back and manipulate old blocks.

To refute the points in your meme.

1. Tails emissions is a fixed supply, 0.6 monero every two minutes (Bitcoin could also be updated to have its supply cap changed at anytime with consensus, or hard forks)

2. Based, so is Bitcoin, the point of Cryptocurrency is to enable people to live their lives freely from state tyranny.

3. Monero is ASIC resistant which is the primary reason the hash rate isn't higher.

4. Monero has adaptive Block size, and when you compare entities like MyNym, CoinCards, etc. that accept both Bitcoin, and Monero, Monero tends to win in consumer spending typically.

5. Price in fiat terms doesn't matter.

6. Hard forks are patches to prevent people from using outdated insecure software.

7. Yes, privacy is the main reason monero is popular because to date the network hasn't been deanonymized, the u.s. government, and Chainalysis have yet found a way to reveal the entire network transactions, and even with individuals they've targeted it was resource intensive to deanonymize, and primarily the main point of failure was swapping out to transparent blockchains. Monero still has reliable privacy even if the privacy is less optimized than Zcash.

8. I have many different Monero piles for different reasons, very rarely if ever have I sold it for fiat. Usually I use it to buy gift cards, or swap into other cryptos to use them for vendors that don't yet accept Monero.

BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago

So much BS its not even funny. Not really care to address it but,

Are they going to fix the problem with 16th HARD FORK?

Jordan S 3mo ago 💬 1

Technology continually grows, and innovates.

Monero has made many updates as issues arise, Bitcoin has stayed relatively stagnant for the most part.

BitcoinIsFuture 3mo ago 💬 1

What a beautiful propaganda for the brainless.

Ryu Santiago 3mo ago

Be consistent and use a computer from 2013, or earlier.

CR45H 0V3RR1D3 3mo ago

Just when I think I’m starting to understand this, I stumble into a conversation that looks like English yet I have no clue WTF you’re saying and realize I know very little. 🤦🏻‍♂️

In short, I feel like Trump, a blithering idiot who pretends to know what he’s doing but is brought to the realization, almost on a daily basis, that I don’t even know 10% of what I think I do.😂

I wonder if they make a “crypto for dummies” book.🤔

Jordan S 3mo ago

Trust me, it took me years, and asking a lot of the smart people in Monero.

Unfortunately, many of them are harder to reach, or are gone now 😔✊️.

I try my best.

Block Re-org briefly covered.

https://v.nostr.build/pt3rcQeAdu84mxQV.mp4

Here's the Moneropedia which has all the technical lingo explained simply.

https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/

Crypto is an ongoing learning process, we don't know every attack vector for crypto yet since more are being discovered daily but the monero community proactively responds after major attacks like The QuBic happened.

Video source:

https://youtube.com/shorts/oO8-mOfTf14

Ryu Santiago 3mo ago 💬 1

A Bitcoiner who actively acknowledges Blockstream's major (but not sole) role in destroying... ku-fucking-dos, guy.

Jordan S 3mo ago 💬 1

I read some article that basically said that Blockstream basically funds Bitcoin devs not to improve layer 1, so that lightning adoption is forced to increase.

But I've just noticed the vibe shift in general in the culture, and space.

Almost most, if not all Bitcoin influencers are paid by Big Bitcoin to shill some IRA, or shitty hardware wallet, etc.

Ryu Santiago 3mo ago

Don't forget that the Lightning pivot only happened because the original pet project (Liquid) was rejected en masse at the time... how things have changed in a decade.