Shawn Baker is 7 years older than Dr Greger... Which one of them looks older & which looks healthier? But why limit it to well known people when there is already better data available?
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One person among two, both being still alive, is far too little data. What is this better data? I'm all for doing this with better data. Please show me. I'll show you my results of the first experiment if/after you do it. Otherwise let's just move on to the better data.
Just in case you think I'm in line with Dr Greger let me adjust that notion. I think Dr Greger is an extremist, as are Dr Ornish and Dr Esselstyn. I'm not an extremist.
This comment "you just don't want to let go of the BS you think you know" isn't accurate. I am open minded. I actually want meat to be healthy - I have a flock of sheep. Just because I'm arguing for one side doesn't mean I'm not open minded. If you show me to be wrong, I will change my mind. It's just that I've looked over dozens of large studies, read 4-5 books, done literature searches, and so I've already got a lot of data in my head. So to turn the tables on that there has to be something overwhelmingly convincing, not just stories of people who look buff and lost weight (which is a strongly coorelated marker for a salesman).
Well, that sounds like you are looking for reasons to dismiss Dr Baker rather than investigate what he has to say. Dr Ken Berry is good on the subject too. You could actually address any of the arguments I have made here rather than deflect away from them.
All of the friends & family that have done what I have suggested have lost weight & improved their health. My health has improved even after being an omnivorous paleo dieter for some years prior to carnivore. I'm not selling anything. Real world experience seems far more valuable than any sort of corruptible data from clearly biased sources. But Dave Feldman has done a lot of great collection & re-analysis of available data. Dom D'Agostino has lots of great info on cancer & ketosis. Kelly Hogan's stuff is good. Joe & Charlene Anderson have been carnivores for decades now & as far as I know they aren't selling anything.
And again, the prevailing narrative for decades has been that red meat would make people fat, raise blood pressure, & ultimately kill them. Doesn't the shift to "well you might lose weight, lower your blood pressure, & feel better, but you're still gonna die" just sound like a massive cope?