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I apologize for my language and tone. If you want to have a discussion I can remain civil.

Neither of us can speak for women. The difference between my position and yours is I leave it up to them to decide while you have decided for them.

Believing that women's most important role in society is to have babies is antiquated and a symptom of a system where men hold all the power. Women in a homemaking role give up their autonomy and become reliant on the man, which opens them up to abuse. Some men are attracted to this dynamic because it gives them more leeway to take advantage of the power imbalance. This is not always the case. Sometimes this dynamic can work out great for both parties. I'm just saying it's ripe for abuse.

Society has evolved. Family is whatever a person wants it to be. To say that the nuclear family is the best and most important for society as if you are some moral authority is arrogance. Having children is not a great accomplishment, most people on the planet are capable of doing that. Likewise having children does not suddenly grant you some great wisdom and authority on the subject. I know this is going to be insulting and I'm sorry, but if your greatest accomplishment is that you creampied in a woman then I think you need to reevaluate your life.

The power dynamic between the sexes is changing. With 8 billion people on the planet procreation is not seen as such a vital thing to contribute to humanity. If women don't feel they have to have babies to contribute that gives them options for how they want to live their life, which gives them more power and men that want them to remain subservient don't like that.

It's not women's most important role. It's people's most important role. If you want to argue against that be my guest. Without babies there are no human beings.

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It's only the most important role for people who choose to do it. We don't all need to have babies. Humanity is not at any risk of dying out because some people choose not to.

I understand that. It's just that most people are happier with family. A life of solitude is not for the masses. This is clearly true for all of human history. I'm a libertarian. I'm not against what any individual decides what they want to do with their life. I do not care, I just wish society at large was in less despair so they should really explore this path first. I just have an opinion of the most likely path to happiness for the majority of people. There are obviously exclusions. There always is.

I'm sure more people do want to have children, but the current state of society makes that seem impossible. So of course people are depressed when they want children, but don't think they can properly care for them. We should (and as Bitcoiners we are) fighting for a more equitable world where those who do want children are able to follow through with that desire.

I agree

I have a problem with you keep saying "most women" and "most people". That's clearly your assumption cuz none of us know "most women" or "most people" in the world.

And again, it's not having babies or being in solitude. How about just a life partner? How about community? How about friends? How about other family members? Why having family only means having babies??

It doesn't but for most of human history it has.