When you pre-qualify the other side of an argument as trolls, morons and nonsense talkers, you are not looking for discussion you ate shilling 'settled science'.
That type of shilling belongs in X, not here.
TBH, I didn’t expect Russian trolls to already be on #Nostr. Go send some emails to elderly people, you moron.
I’m starting to be allergic to this nonsense, so let’s break it down for others with some sources at least.
Does Russia Really Have a Right to Crimea?
The key question is whether Russia’s claim to Crimea holds any legal weight. According to the Soviet (1936) and Ukrainian (1978) constitutions, as well as agreements like the Budapest Memorandum (1994), Crimea was legally recognized as part of Ukraine!
Then in 2014, those "mysterious" so-called little green men—later confirmed to be Russian troops—showed up, organized a rushed referendum, and Russia annexed Crimea, even though most of the international community never acknowledged it as legitimate. Even Putin himself admitted Russian forces were involved.
No matter how many justifications Moscow and their trolls tries to offer, from a legal standpoint, it was an outright violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty!
Sources:
Soviet Constitution (1936): https://constitution.garant.ru/history/ussr-rsfsr/1936/red_1936/3958688/chapter/94f5bf092e8d98af576ee351987de4f0/
Ukrainian Constitution (1978): https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/888-09/ed19780420#Text
Budapest Memorandum (1994): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
Communication blocking by Russians during Crimea annexation: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/5/10/how-russia-weaponized-social-media-in-crimea
Putin admits Russian troops were involved (2014): https://www.voanews.com/a/putin-admits-russian-troop-role-in-crimea-annexation/2523186.html
Little Green Men – totally not from Russia, just regular patriots who love their ancestors and their "home"(2014) 😉: https://cdn.satellite.earth/21fecca354346264f4784fd6c9bbb4fe9f864727c914fd0d70415a3162b4639a.mp4
Discussion
Did you even check what I replied to? 😆
Do you take it as a serious answer by him? 😗
He didn't call anyone a troll, moron or dismiss their talk as nonsense. So you definitely stepped it up a few notches.
Plus your qualifications are general and for anyone with that view, not limited to the person you are responding to. Some of what you say is right, and some is very wrong. I am not going to start a discussion with you on a topic you are clearly not able to talk about with a cool head.
There is so much propaganda around that every single one of us has inevitably swallowed some. We need to be ready therefore and allow for our truths to be challenged in a meaningful way. That is hard to do when you are young, I'll readily give you that.
Well said. He has swallowed a lot of propaganda. I highly recommend considering how long Putin has been in power and why 2022 was the year he invaded Ukraine. I also highly recommend that he read the EU’s report of Russia and Germany from 2008 regarding who was at fault for starting that conflict.
Nah, he didn’t called me moron.
But at the second point he stated
“All Ukrainians know life is better in Russia.”
and then spam of bunch of photos with random contexts and I’m that one person who swallows bunch of propaganda.
Ima not going to play this, sorry.
You say about yourself "a Gen-Z Bitcoin Pleb who hates censorship". Aggressive ridiculing and dismissal of views is a form of censorship.
That's the first time I've heard that 🤣 I was under the impression that if someone is spreading lies and you point out the falsity of those lies, then if the person in question isn't lying, there's no reason to re-evaluate for his audience.
Of course, if the lies are then certainly censored, then that in turn contributes to their spread, because if they weren't true, then why would they censor them?
Here people can read both versions and at the most I'm making a fool of myself here, but I don't see any censorship there.
"When the argument is lost, a fool resorts to insults"
totally possible to win and insult at the exact same time.
That’s it, I’m totally tired of trying politely argument with someone like him.
They seem to follow "A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth".
No matter what evidence one presents to them, they immediately launch into Whataboutism and the subject is taken elsewhere.
whoa nellie...
dont know what the OP was about and was not commenting on that...
you could be wrong for all I know.
I totally got you man, everyone can be wrong...We are human and we make mistakes, but at the same time we still have to keep our guard up and keep our critical thinking. I honestly wasn't expecting any sort of extensive response from the OP, which is why I responded in a deliberately provocative way, because I'm really sick of it after these years.
It was somehow clear to me that he was going to react the way he did.
In the end, what I expected happened, and he responded to my sources with a comment that doesn't relate at all to the things I wrote there and is based on sources called "one reporter claims, and we draw a conclusion from it".
Exemplary whataboutism.
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