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That isn't what's happening. My point is if miners ignore the filters and knots nodes are as low in numbers as they are, then they achieve nothing. So the miners will have to agree with knots ideals but they won't as they want to earn. Ocean is the only pool (I'm aware of) that is aligned. How many blocks have they mined compared to the rest?

Miners need the nodes to validate the block. At the moment there is a consensus for Core.

nicnym 3mo ago

Excuse me sir but your concept of the “effectiveness of filters” doesn’t matter. 😅

All mainline nodes currently default filter. 👍

Changing the default means making a change. 🧐

When lots of people are arguing and 20% of the network is now running an alternative client (first time in Bitcoin history btw) 🥳

Bitcoin core GitHub reputation and public perception is arguably the most negative it has ever been in bitcoin’s history... 🥲

That means the change is “controversial” to say the least. 😬

And what do we do when something is too controversial? 👁️👁️

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Zaikaboy 3mo ago 💬 3

How many run both node types? I know of several people that do

nicnym 3mo ago

Right now all current nodes filter by default.

Since you support v30, have you personally changed your -datacarriersize option ?

You can increase it to 100k today, why are you waiting for the update?

Zaikaboy 3mo ago 💬 4

I never said I supported 30. I haven't upgraded to it, yet. I definitely do not support knots. The moronic arguing is fruitless. Run what you want, I really don't care but Knots will filter itself into uselessness. Both sides need their heads banging together for acting like children

𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 3mo ago

Core have stepped way out of line. They started all this with the lies and sneakiness.

GermanHodl 3mo ago

Knots is just the Status Quo.

nicnym 3mo ago

So is your perception of this issue more based on people saying you should “switch to knots” or do you see people like me disagreeing with Core’s proposed change, and using knots as a vehicle to make themselves heard?

I think it’s an interesting historical event and I appreciate your conversation. 🤝

Zaikaboy 3mo ago 💬 2

I think it is your choice. I don't agree with it but who am I to say. This initial thread was started by me saying that the CSAM argument is dumb. Which it is. I also said that the Knots argument of bitcoin should just be money is far stronger.

I believe that the two groups are actually very like minded but the egos people have aligned themselves with are adamant and, if I may say, childish. Some of the comments I've received are laughable. People seem to have forgotten how to think critically.

I try to be open minded about everything. If I am uneducated about a subject I wish to participate in, I try to learn objectively. I am not always right. On this subject, with consensus the job of nodes, it is plain that at this time, knots doesn't have consensus to stop miners bypassing their filters. It is unlikely they will ever have it and more likely that they will fork. In my opinion.

nicnym 2mo ago

It’s not about bypassing or the effectiveness of filters, it’s about core trying to seize governance over Bitcoin

Zaikaboy 2mo ago 💬 2

Be careful who you put your TRUST in

nicnym 2mo ago

You need to read more

Zaikaboy 2mo ago 💬 1

Oh I'm sorry, you are quite correct. I'm just an idiot. How can I not agree with you. Thank you for insulting me

nicnym 2mo ago

I need to read more too, sorry

So the point is I think I posted earlier:

It seems something is seriously wrong with Bitcoin core. This tweet is a core dev in 2023.

Relaying plain text csam to other nodes is a concern for me personally, so I’m running knots to avoid that- and also demonstrate my disagreement with core and hopefully get them to reverse the change. Which is what they should do if this tweet correctly describes the development process.

nicnym 3mo ago

I do disagree because it’s not fruitless, core has already changed the proposal twice. So we would like them to reverse it completely.

n0>1 3mo ago

They keep acting like knots is the one making changes. Wtf..