That's painful 😅 we're trying to run a business through DMs, but we don't know if they're getting through 😖
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nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h also has the same problem. there's not really any way to fix this problem, because certain people have got a muddle in their brain that stops them being able to understand that nostr should be useful for business people.
i'm building something at the moment that is a kind of hack to work around this problem, specifically to enable automating a relay subscription system, but it is a hack to make messaging customers actually work, while remaining private (if you run the relay, it's just you and the customers).
i will let you know when i have got it all working.
btw, it's essentially going to be where you just put a specific #hashtag and the nostr:npub1ww8hsuav93ktwuq7x9gxz6husfphnvfjk3nm5k5y982evjh3kymqh4wakr user is mentioned so there is a `p` tag with them and voila, customer can read it from the relay but the relay won't send it to anyone else. they can then reply and you will also be able to read it.
it's a very simple hack, in fact i could probably enable it before i finish the NWC wallet connection stuff (just need to get a subscriber receiving notifications to complete that task)
it's a hack that will require you to use #jumble to do it, with the relay configured as one of your relay feeds, and send only to that relay. this is part of how i figured out this could be done, just a small extra bit of code in the relay and customer messaging.
i might have a crack at this tonight if i get through cleaning up the tests... working on a test-and-release automation for #orly so deploying it can just be download a file, add configuration and go
btw, i have been trying to get this problem fixed for 18 months.
and yeah, primal is the worst. seriously, i can't recommend enough you try out #jumble https://jumble.social
for DMs the best clients are https://coracle.social and https://nostrudel.ninja
the other people need to be using them as well. the coracle interface is simpler but when you look at it all you are gonna understand what i mean. the protocol spec is a mess, and the implementations struggle to work.
Very interesting.
Do you also have a simple hack for creating a lightning paywall? 🤗
My husband keeps looking into it but there doesn't seem to be any very easy options.
To me, it seems it would be pretty easy to make something that once zapped can either display a new page, or send a DM with a download link. However, we haven't come across anything like this yet.
My dad develops electrics, both hardware and software, so I'm familiar with a lot of things even though I don't really know how to "Do" any of it myself 😅
yeah, i'm making an access paywall, as it happens.
adding the ability to hook it into other things than just subscribing to the relay is definitely possible. i'm not sure what it would require exactly, i will have to think about it. i am writing code to handle a subscriber list now, so i guess it's going to be a lot of generic and similar things, just need to plug in some other parts to make it usable for stuff like generating a download link, and this. maybe webhooks would be the way, so the payment triggers a message to another server that then does the download link that expires after some time that directs the user to the intended download.
i can see how this might be done and how it is just a tiny bit different from a relay subscription system.
it might be a while before i get to doing it though. but i'm starting to get contributors and people wanting to use #orly so maybe i can ... well... put an issue up... https://orly.dev - if you know someone familiar with the requirements, make an issue on the repository and maybe someone can implement it.
it does need the pieces i'm in the middle of completing though, monitoring a lightning wallet for payments, parsing the LN payment info in some way (i was going to use zapping a bot npub that is the relay's identity, and who publishes the notes that only the user can read.
so, yeah, still, put an issue, and maybe someone can help if i can't get to it.
it's my main ambition with nostr to actually solve for the business use case and that will make it into a full time job for me, down the track.
Cool, thanks for all you're doing! Well done!
they're not getting through nope, the only way to dm them on primal and damus.. is to custom target those relays with a kind04 and then retry until it goes through.
basically, need some way to send messages to initiate a conversation. then in that message point them to an actual working thing. idk, chachi? or even *shudder* email?
i'm thinking about the idea of making basically an email client for nostr events. not even encrypted, but such that the client only uses the relay as an outbox anyway so it won't leak outside the privilege protecting relay that serves it
Wait, so DMs to Damus doesn't go through either? 🤔😬
So, basically, I need to have a conversation with everyone to check which client they're using before concluding business through DMs?!
So, we might have been missing business because people use a different client? 😪
yep, it's a mess, and the people funding this mess don't care, because they are just funneling donations through and taking a cut. the product is for them, not the users, and certainly not for the business people trying to talk to their customers.