A bunch of comments showing some really lost the plot.

I don't care your grandma cannot setup a LN node and uses WoS. I have a problem with YOU getting all enthusiastic about "the power of lighting and zaps" when all you're using is fucking PayPal with a ⚡ icon.

If you can't use anything else, either have a low time preference and wait for better solutions, or just treat it like your Spotify shower playlist: be embarrassed into share it and definitely don't brag about it.

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Yeah. Its pretty sad to see.

I appreciate your commitment, but it also sounds like you expect most, if not everyone, to wait for a full step change, rather than take a ramp from where we are to where we need to be.

How often, realistically, does the former happen?

Read the last paragraph. I don't have an issue with people using custodial wallets because they don't know any better. I have an issue with people shilling them without any warning as if it were real bitcoin.

Even Jack has shilled WoS. The reality is that it’s too complicated for most ppl to deal with.

Shaking one’s fist and castigating rarely changes the world. Engagement and possibility and empowerment does.

Giving people a taste of what Bitcoin makes possible is how we get them to invest the time and energy to fully unlock the tools.

No one ever listens to me when I’m angry.

Funny how that works, huh?

Yes. I’ve got a lot of respect for the passion and knowledge, which far exceeds my own, but sometimes paying attention to how a story is told matters more. Teach me the facts and I will forget them. Tell me the truth and I won’t believe you. Tell me a story and it will reside in my heart forever.

Not speaking up against potential centralization vectors and capture risks is extending the red carpet for big players to come in and takeover.

So much for "adoption at all costs"...

It happened to email, it happened to internet browsers, it happened to the web, it happened to social media.

It will happen to lightning if most people just roll over.

Ok. What’s your proposal? What’s your plan?

Are you saying that unless and until each of us invokes a litany of cautionary tales each time we seek to orange pill someone that we are doing it wrong?

My proposal is low time preference: don't shill hostile convenient solutions for the sake of adoption.

This ☝️. We have to stop whoring ourselves out for new users at the expense of the objective: freedom money

There is no “we”. There are individuals and collections of individuals (projects, companies) acting in their own (hopefully enlightened) self-interest.

“Build a better mousetrap…”

IMHO the fediverse people got this right

they’re alright with instabanning any big company’s ActivityPub instance

This is fire, thank you. Im here for chaos money not venmo over btc

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using reddit as an example is probably cheating but I was amazed to see no pushback on this WoS “transaction” https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/11kf4vc/the_currency_of_the_people/