I've already addressed these things directly. You're not paying attention.
I will add, though, that while God wants all people to be saved, Jesus also says that few will go through the straight path that leads to salvation and many will go down the wide path that leads to destruction.
He is not a cosmic, spiritual rapist -- he does not force his will on us. He invites us to answer his call. He pursues us in love, but we are able to reject him. We take the path we choose.
He does not condemn people who are invincibly ignorant. Rather, he judges people based on what they do with the light they have.
Feigned ignorance is not invincible ignorance. We cannot demand the kind of proof we insist on having, and when or how often we have it -- all the while ridiculously disputing the evidence that we *are* given.
If you do evil, but don't seek forgiveness through Jesus -- or if you don't know Jesus and don't care enough to sincerely seek out who and what God is -- then your immortal soul will take up permanent residence in hell.
Interesting God wants everyone to be saved, but creates a world where most won't...
Instead of leaving clear evidence, he leaves a book
There are hundreds of religions to choose from, all with their books, their history, their prophet, their temples, their monks...
Do you see the inconsistencies?
Do you see that in this debate, a Muslim would be giving me exactly the same arguments and with the same conviction as you?
Did I say anything about God leaving a book? You don't listen. You don't pay attention.
You said you are a Christian. What is your source of instruction for Christianity? How do you know you are a Christian?
If you deny the accuracy of the scriptures, if you don't believe in the historic Christian Church, if you deny that the Blessed Trinity is the one true God -- what makes you think you're a Christian?
You don't have Christian views. You are making up your own religion, which is not the salvific.
You still didnt say one single valid argument for why you are right and the rest of the religions and millions of persons are wrong
The worst part is that you have 100% conviction (like a muslim with islam or a member of a sect with his leader)
Open your eyes and realice that you requiere faith to be a christian and you cant prove that you are right and others religions are not
It is cool that you chose christianity but you cant prove nothing(you was probably born into it and didnt even considered or rode deeply about others religions)
If we had had this conversation in ancient Greece, I'm sure you would have argued with the same conviction that Zeus is the true god
You don't accept my valid argument from history. You don't accept miracles either. There's nothing you would accept, it seems. Even if a miracle happened before your eyes, you can always devise alternate explanations.
Of course Christianity requires faith, but so does believing in the existence of Abraham Lincoln. I never saw Abe myself, but I have faith based on the historical records, eye witnesses, and in what he has done.
Faith can either be evidence-based or blind or delusional. We have to use our brains.
If I grew up in ancient Greece, maybe I would have argued with conviction for Zeus. That changes nothing. But here is the big difference: I would not have any good evidence for it, but I do have plenty for Christianity.
I repeat myself when I say that just because people believe in false gods, or that people may believe in their god because of their culture, it does not follow that there is not a one true God -- or that one can confidently know the true God based on historic and other evidence.
Yes, I would believe in a miracle if I saw one.
When you say "valid argument from history," that's where you fail because ALL religions claim to have valid historical arguments
Abraham Lincoln existed fewer years ago, and believing he existed doesn't require an extreme level of faith because it's a more recent and proven historical event. BUT, above all, because you don't have to believe he performed miracles and was resurrected... it's not even slightly comparable
Indeed, if you had grown up in ancient Greece, you would believe in Zeus with total devotion, but again, you fail because you would be claiming the same thing you do now: you would say you have proof, witnesses, and historical facts that demonstrate clear evidence that Zeus exists (if you don't know, temples were built to Zeus, there were priests, people who claimed to have spoken with Zeus, people who claimed to have received miracles from Zeus... what you call historical evidence)
You said you believe in God and even in Christianity. Why is that, if you have a hard time believing in miracles attested to in history (what else would one expect)?
Your own version of Christianity sounds like the pagan Greek and Roman religions of gods far, far away that don't act visibly in human history.
You prefer a safer fairytale god rather than one who acts and lives among us.
Let me ask you this: When do you suppose Christianity began? And by whom?
My friend… EVERY single religion has attested miracles, which one is lying and which one is right?
This feels like an Abbot & Costello routine.
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Imagine going to hell for all eternity because you decided to doubt a book written 2,000 years ago or because you chose the wrong religion...
If you really think a god of perfect intelligence would create such a world... think more deeply
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