The introduction of badges changed Reddit for me. The psychological need to continue using Reddit to continue my daily streak is strong.

I noticed this after the first few badges. 5 days 10, 20, 30, etc. I wanted to keep going because I was getting notifications that I was completing something special.

After earning a couple badges, I found myself forcing myself to use Reddit every day just to keep my streak alive. Then, badges started to become more rare in quality as the streak day count increased. I wanted to collect them all! I wanted to see if I could earn the legendary ones. 365 days? 500 days? Hell yeah!

I don't particularly care about Reddit all that much. Most days I'd be fine just reading. I don't need to upvote or downvote. Or at least I thought I didn't? Badges changed that for me.

I see this with my children, especially my daughter. Her and her friends all use Snapchat to communicate. She cares about keeping her streaks alive with friends. It's a silly little indicator in Snapchat, just like Reddit, that keeps pulling people back in.

I know that we all recognize the issues with legacy social media. I know these tactics are meant to keep bringing us back, so that the algorithms can keep us enraged and engaged, to steal our attention. We can do better!

It's no secret that user retention is horrible across the Nostr ecosystem. Could a Nostr client implement something similar to these streak badges without the negative aspects to keep people coming back? Definitely.

Nostr doesn't have evil algorithms. (Someone could build one though. It's an open protocol!) I believe a developer could implement a similar feature to draw people back into their application. We have a badges spec. The badge could be automatically assigned and displayed on the user profile as their engagement increases.

I guess technically this doesn't even need to be implemented by a specific client. Someone could essentially write a DVM for this, right? This would be a large task though. The DVM could use the nostr.band API or search.nostr.wine API or something similar to do this and assign these streak badges automatically across "all of Nostr" or even just a specific set of relays. Relay operators could implement something such as this too. It's all possible.

Thoughts?

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Honestly, it makes me want to use it less because it keeps reminding me how much time I'm wasting on random #reddit communities

Not me! That basement dweller badge will be hmine in 315 more days. Muhuhaha!

this smells like a nostr game/badge bot in the making

I'm hoping someone builds this for all of Nostr. It's a lot of work, but could be done.

This is not healthy

If you're unable to find a balance between nature and technology then I could see how it's not healthy for you. Finding the balance is key.

The nostr badge game could include challenges that are offline as well :D

Currently working on creating more nostr badges tonight =)

So far you wouldnt encounter a badge until you finished the 10th question and it was mostly created to show case that you could share transcripts between the language learning app and the tutoring app, but now im moving it to be a first class citizen in the main experience

Badges are fun! I look forward to checking this out someday.

I'll message you when the badge implementation is 100%. Still have a few bugs to work out. I'm a huge fan of this for edtech because I think the decentralization of transcripts when it comes to e-learning is something that's missing at the foundational level.

For example, if a 4th year engineering student drops out, it's as if they've literally done nothing at all and I think the goal of technology is to approximate reality.

Other than that I like badges a lot for engagement like you illustrated - the idea of collecting rare badges like today's $100K day or attending open-source events like nostriga is awesome and has positive consequences for social communication.

Less is more, and that goes for social media too

I see you commenting on Nostr every day 🤔

Recency bias? I've been on a cruise for the past 10 days

I see you missing 8 days. Good for you. You're able to balance nature and technology. I went in a cruise once back in 2007. I would like to go on another some day.

100%. It’s so frustrating.

Seems like it would fit Yakihonne's style, and it reminds me of the Stacker News cowboy streak. Probably best left to individual clients instead of it being a nostr wide thing.

I never understood the 🤠 on Stacker 😅 so it was for commenting?

Tiktok also introduced streaks. For DMs keep coming back and message same persons. For nostr badges for zap streaks would be epic .

Never used TikTok 😂 But it doesn't surprise me. They seem to have capitalized on addiction.

Oh and yes, I have said before that Zap badges would be awesome, based on amounts and quantities of zaps sent.

Happy you agree . 👍🏾 😊

I think yakihoone has something like this. Dont know if it has badges

Don't bring addictive, psychological gamefication to clients. Personally, in other apps, I disable them if possible. If that's not possible, I ignore them. If that's not possible, I delete the app and find an alternative that isn't trying to manipulate their user stats for their VC decks or quarterly reports.

This

The nice thing about Nostr is that if an app has something you don't want, you don't have to use it. You take your nsec and go elsewhere. Nostr clearly needs something to keep people here. We haven't seen much growth in a very, very long time. This is just one suggestion out of a sea of possibilities.

Duolingo does the same thing and even more so when keeping your peers/family members accountable by sending them reminders to check-in for their daily education.

I don’t know what the use-case would be for Nostr but maybe a GM & pura vida check-in post to receive an automatic designated amount of zaps a day? The sats can come from a community pool of zaps accumulated from daily/weekly memes wars. Just spit-balling here. Or in honor of nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx, an ALL-CAPS post will award you an nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx badge and it’s up to you to keep a daily streak of badges

Id like to see them with an opt in/out function

Oh I like that. User choice!

Totally good with this so long as there is an option (checkbox) to turn them off completely (for those of us that don't get into earning badges)

Casablanca notwithstanding.

(Again, my philosophy on software development in general is: code whatever you feel would be helpful, just allow end users to turn off the things they don't want / use)

LOL - shoot...got my Bogart movies mixed up...need more coffee (obviously)

#coffeechain

No. Nostr doesn't have horrible retention for lack of dopamine, it has horrible retention for lack of engaging notes.

Notes are largely self-congradulatory and lack anything like real insight. Luckily we don't need insights, or diet advice, we need genuine curiosity and humility about the universe outside of Bitcoin.

This goes for me as well. I am not a humble person and it reflects in how much engagement I get.

Everyone's experience is different. I get that. My feed keeps drawing me back in. I use Nostr every day and when I have a busy day and I'm away, I feel like I'm missing so much. We have a lot of content and I look forward to catching up on it.

I understand. However, we aren't seeing wildly different content, you find it engaging and the people who don't stick around don't. I am positing that, just maybe, the good mornings, Bitcoin evangelism, and health advice aren't nearly a deep as generally held.

There are great conversations here, no one here is stupid, but they occur deep in reply threads on topics outside the mainstream nostr fare. I remain for the potential of the technology and for those rare moments that people let their deeply held beliefs on the nature of being shine.

People are wonderfully complicated and nearly everyone has fascinating history and insights, thing they have pondered or experienced in depth. What are yours?

This badge conversation is actually a good example. I don't usually engage with your notes, but this one strikes a chord, because you have noted something deep and fundemental about online engagement. I happen to disagree that chasing dopamine is a net good. (It works too well on me so I hate it) But I am glad that people are willing to try things that I don't like. I might be wrong and if left to me many wonderful things might go untried.

So keep up posting wild curious ideas that you have thought seriously about and more people will stick around, even if just to disagree.

I think a majority of “average” people want socials with these types of features and use socials more as a means of escaping dredgery and monotony than engaging with people or content. Just my 2 sats

Agree. Lots of people don't engage, they just doomscroll and consume. Which is why I believe promoting bloomscrolling of positive content could be a nice hook for Nostr.

I posted a question earlier, no one ever replies to them in terms of a real answer, maybe you could check it out. It’s about Nostr # of users, etc.

Bloomscrolling. I like it dude

I like badges, I didn't really get them at first. I want to keep nostr weird, so I think badges are part of that.

Badges can be anything you'd like them to be.

You mentioned retention and then limited growth in another post, I think nostr needs one more feature added that is adopted by all/most of the clients, and that is just used as an excuse to market "Nostr 2.0". It could be some insignificant feature to us, we know its the same old nostr with all changes we've gone through over the past couple of years.

People joined nostr when it was hyped and the experience was terrible. It would be nice to have something shiny to say, "take a look at this again" knowing that they missed out on all the improvements.

No thanks.

I used to be admin on a runescape private server with a very active forum, forum posting was one of my favorite parts abt it and i was heavily hooked on posting often to get my post badges. You’d get a cool glowing crown next to your name and i think your name would also get a glow effect. Good old days.

idk i just use reddit daily cause i like some subreddits

if it wasn't for those particular communities i wouldn't use it

similar with nostr i only use it to read some of the communities i like that also exist whiting it.

youtube is almost the same since i stopped using their website and only use Freetube with zero algorithms

i come back for particular ppl or communities