To anyone who’s thinking “If things get too bad, I’ll just leave.”
Borders are still a thing in the 21st century and it’s actually not that easy to move to another country.
So if you’re actually serious about leaving, make sure you start putting together a plan B now.
Geographic arbitrage is a thing but only for those who are prepared.
Feels scary to pick anywhere when taking all into consideration.
Yes, it’s not an easy decision process
The easiest way is to use vacations as scouting missions. Pick a region & hit-up 2-3 locations in 2 weeks. Get a feel for the place.
Family & belongings complicate things, but it can be done in stages. Once you have a place in mind, it will focus your mind.
If interested, I did a post on Uruguay, hoping for others to follow suit with their Plan B locations soon:
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What destinations are you looking at?
Portugal and Germany.
Those would be the most viable options for both my wife and I.
But I’m keeping an eye on how things develop in Central and South America.
Are you living in Brazil right now?
No, USA
Oh, okay. Don’t know why I thought you are living in Brazil
Millions of people put their name in greencard lottery every years
Going from USA to Germany is like moving states in my opinion. It would be better to stay, rather than move from one potentially chaotic place to another.
My advice to most people would be to explore Central and South America or parts of Asia, sooner rather than later.
Europe has arguably more problems than the U.S. right now. They are intentionally creating a nationalistic reaction.
Think about immigration flows, political differences inside the country, family, protests, purchasing price index and access to resources. Germany is de-industrialising, just the rest of Europe to follow.
People fleeing to the West are going in the wrong direction, just at the wrong time IMHO.
Yes, I agree. I'm originally from Austria. My wife is Brazilian. We decided to leave Austria and stay in Brazil. But things aren't much better here either. They have just passed a law that children from 6 months to 5 years have to be vaccinated against Covid. They have also been researching CBDCs for some time and will probably be one of the first countries to implement them. The whole world is fucked up right now
I know myself that moves like this are never easy. The good thing is you have your wife’s family to support you both. And Mercosur will still allow you to jump around if need be.
I do believe that such mandates are easier to circumvent this side of the water, than in Europe. You will find like-minded people who are prepared to help you, less worried about the ramifications. As the Sovereign Individual states:
“It will therefore be easier for persons living in traditionally poorer countries to surmount the hurdles that their governments have thereto placed in the path of economic growth.”
Many things get “lost in translation” when you move between continents. That’s what I would be looking for with my move, the “loss in translation”.
In any case, Europe, which I know quite well, is easy for my family, given our situation, but I’m not married to that idea. That’s why I mentioned that I’ll be keeping an eye on how things develop in Central and South America.
I hear you. Portugal is a better idea. They are part of the EU (a sinking ship) and do depend on business & immigration to sustain themselves. But they have a solid friendly culture and having family as a safety net can be important.
Hope things become clearer and easier for you guys. Enjoy your Sunday with the fam, my friend
Thank you, have a great day too 🤙
I thought Germany is pretty bad too...
Any reason for it?
In what sense is it bad?
Lack of freedom
We’ll see how things develop. No place is 100% ideal. I intend to remain flexible and adapt to whatever situation presents.
I guess my original question is that if you feel it's good enough for freedom
In my estimation things might get pretty wild in many places
I see. What drew you to Germany in the first place? I heard good things about Portugal suburbs.
Portugal is changing, though. Everything is super fluid.
Taxation is Germany is actually quite favorable, I believe, rn for BTC.
Certain countries in Europe might be attractive. Others might need to be avoided.
I have to work with another person. I’m not alone. I can’t do things exactly how I would do them just for myself.
Multiple passports are a must.
Ideally. However a second citizenship is likely sufficient, as a 1st step.
If you have a citizenship, that country will very likely let you in. If you have a 2nd passport, the leaving country cannot likely keep you in.
Providing you have enough time to arrange travel, a 2+ year temporary citizenship is likely sufficient for most use cases. Particularly as a stepping stone to a passport 🤙
Some observations.
If you are leaving your home country that you have lived in your whole life you may have been used to being somewhat "under the radar". Move to a new country and you will need to be prepared to provide every last document of your life history. While it's usual to research the country you're leaving to's government/immigration policies and be prepared for that, I found the bank in your new country to be particularly suspicious of you, especially your tax status. The International Tax Code, bank statements, source of funds, employment history, if you're older then savings details and any type of retirement/investments. I advise don't mention Bitcoin in any way to any bureaucrat/bank. Be prepared to bare your very soul!
Obviously depends on the country/jurisdiction that you're moving to but be aware that banks are super paranoid about abiding by FATF type "guidelines" and to be able to open an account requires patience and being prepared.
My observations
To immigtate from my country to others you need to either flee and take refugue, risking all the dangers like getting shot, drowning, freezing, living in camps indifinitly...
Or you need to have a good reason and some kind of visa sponsor, such as student visa or skilled worker visa, athlets, etc. In that case you have to sumbit all your lifes docs as you said, and proove that you have enough funding to support your family for at least one year and pay for never ending expences.
Or have millions of fiat money to invest in the destination countey.
💯 agree. Just to add:
- Prepare your documents in advance and get them apostilled. They are often only valid for 6 months.
- Have somewhere in mind, that you know you could settle. Ideally visit first.
- Ask yourself what would need to happen to pack-up and go. Write it down somewhere visible.
Options are available until they are not. You have a backup of your data, you should also have a backup for your life 🏠
Good reminder. Hideout in the woods is good too. Anywhere but cities.
