Your premise is wrong, race is a genetic reality and on net contributes to behavioral differences. Most people are good people and you can judge people as individuals while still accepting that the nature of your society changes when you introduce a different group of people into it.

America is a historically white, Christian nation with a small number of minorities. If you swapped all the Europeans for Indians you no longer have the same country.

Your failure to acknowledge that reality shows me that you'd rather virtue signal about "everyone being equal and needing to be judged solely as an individual" instead of actually considering the issues that America and other white countries face today.

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My understanding is that you can identify someone’s race based on their genetics. So idk how race could be a genetic reality.

I can identify race using genetics and that makes it not a genetic reality?

What

Sorry typo. I meant to say my understanding is that you can’t identify race by genetics

So what's 23 and me then? A scam?

Yes it is a scam

Get real broski

I’m quite real. Haven’t seen any evidence that there is a genetic sequence or code that makes you Irish or German.

Do some reaserch then because you're not knowledgeable about this subject

Well you made the claim that race is genetic. Where is your evidence? Burden of proof is on the one making the claim

Dude. Be so for real.😂

Not me but here's an example result from a $50 test. Genetic testing can determine your hometown of origin.

Since when does your genetics tell you where you were born? Lmao

Are you trolling me bruh

Since like all of human history

I’m not trolling. How can your dna even know that you were born in Africa or America? After all, your race didn’t change when your ancestors left Europe to live in the US. These scammy ancestry companies are harvesting your data to resell. They are identifying your race by comparing to other people with similar history to you. But it’s not

A specific gene or collection of genes that tell them you’re Indian or Chinese

Your literal place of birth is not where you are from when you're talking about race.

There are black people who have been born in America generations going back 400 years. Still African though.

Okay and what gene tells you that you’re African? And which part of Africa? That place is huge. Which village? Which family bloodline?

Think of it like a fingerprint. There is no one gene, but by assessing a collection of them against prior examples of people who are native to a region you can trace it back.

And by collection I don't mean like 5, I mean thousands.

You could find out the family bloodline and the village if you had a reference to go against. Hence how we know who was descended from Gengas Kahn and other ancient historical people.

*cant

You are using bad immigration policy to justify collectivism. The immigration discussion is tangential to the principle, as is the discussion about genetics. I’m not failing to acknowledge any reality — in fact I haven’t even stated my opinion on immigration policy at all. Only that I reject “white guilt” because I deserve neither credit nor blame for what other people do, regardless of whether they’re similar to me in some ways, and you seem to think people should be credited or debited for accidents of ancestry.

Here is what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with actions of dead ancestors.

https://youtu.be/Uc8DWmOX5Ac?si=wlm2fEOUv4pFLqhL

IMO that’s tangential and misses the point. What you believe about the average of a group is not the same as whether you think individuals in that group should be evaluated on the merits and not based on the group.

I believe in individual, merit-based evaluation. If you do not, then you are racist. That doesn’t mean you are “bad” or should be canceled or any of that bullshit. But it does mean you consent (whether you admit it or not) to being evaluated on the basis of YOUR group, not your individual behavior. And be careful — because the group to which you are assigned might not just be based on race, could be religion, whether you injected yourself on command with pharmaceutical chemicals or any other basis by which you might be categorized. Once you green-light collectivism you’ve opened the door to hell.

I agree with you. I try in my personal live to evaluate people as individuals and not get caught up on group labels and assumptions around gender or race.

The problem in America specifically is that the game theory is going against us hard. White people are told to think individualistically and never consider their collective group or culture as something worth fighting over, while every other group is allowed to make group based decisions. That leads to negative outcomes and is part of the reason why we are losing what our country is.

In order to regain that, we need white people to start thinking as a collective a bit more and advocate for their race. Everyone else will do it to us whether we like it or not.

Think the problem is too many people (white and non-white) are falling for the leftist racist paradigm in which foreigners, some of whom are not suited to open western societies, are admitted out of pity or guilt. Pity for a group is also racism. When instead prospective immigrants should be vetted carefully, on the individual merits, and to the extent there are not enough resources to do so, then we should just have less immigration until that changes.

The solution then isn’t to perpetuate collectivism and just change the group designation from “in need” to “dangerous.” The solution IMO is to dismantle the group identification altogether and stop importing people who can’t demonstrate they belong on the merits.

Agree it’s a psyop to convince people that ANY culture, no matter how backward, is as desirable as ours on American soil, but getting people to view each other through the prism of categories like race, religion, country of origin is also a divide and conquer psyop. The biggest nightmare for government is for people of uncommon ancestry to make common cause. Because if that happened, they’d have no choice but to respond to the people rather than their oligarch clients. They bring in foreigners who have no business being here precisely to destabilize and divide IMO. They want you to ID as white, to see others as your adversaries.

So while it’s tempting to say, “no more of these people from country X” it doesn’t get to the root cause of the problem which is collectivism. The more you try to push out people of Country X, the more sympathy will build for them. Eventually you’ll have “free country x” protests in the streets, on college campuses, worldwide. The more you fight on their turf (identity politics) the more it will be used against you, and you opened the door to it.

Only good solution is to tell people who want to frame you with “white guilt” or “white privilege” to fuck off, not because you are proud or not proud of your race, but because your race is irrelevant to your individual moral standing.

On a high level Chris I agree with you completely. As we strive towards enlightenment and freedom your values are the ones I would align with.

Here's why I still have a problem with it though. I don't believe we will ever get a significant amount of people to practice your ideology, and if we practice it alone we are doomed.

Humans are herd animals, we are by nature tribal and collectivist creatures, and our different tribes and social structures have been tools of survival for thousands of years. There is no moving past that for most people, and only in our culture is it even a strong stated desire.

We have to face the world as it is, which is tribal and group oriented. I want my family and my extended tribe to have a homeland, have a successful country, and to prosper. I want my nation to be predominantly white and Christian as it once was. I am not evil for wanting that and I don't have to deny that there are groups and cultures which I would prefer to be part of, and groups are made up of individuals.

I agree -- people largely respond to incentives, not truth or reason.

But before we get to the point of what to *do* in that case, we can, on nostr, in a non-emotional way just get to the heart of what’s actually *true*.

Once we acknowledge that humans are individuals who should be judged accordingly, that we don’t consent to white guilt or any collective guilt based on race or ancestry for anyone, then we can separately decide what to do about the problem that hordes of people in our own country (not foreigners) believe in identity politics first and foremost.

I think even if adopting their frame (identity-based race collectivism) were short-term expedient, it would still be perpetuating the root cause of the problem.

I'm a white American man who wants my country to be economically strong, have European and Christian values, and preserve the traditions of my ancestors.

That is itself a form of idenitiy politics - all politics are rooted in identity. I will fight for my identity and these feelings are becoming common among my generation. The time for handwaving about treating people as individuals was gone about 25 million immigrants ago.

“I’m a non-binary person of color, and I want the white man to pay for the injustices done against me. I will fight for reparations and take back the property he stole from my ancestors who he brought to this land against their will. The time for handwaving about treating people as individuals was gone about 300 years ago.”

Good luck!

That's the war we are in Chris. They already think like that and would kill us given the opportunity. Remember Charlie Kirk?

Non-binary people tend to not reproduce btw so that's not my primary concern.

There is no such thing as "generations of non-binary people". 😂

Our European + White Christian American culture needs to win again in America.

IMO real American values are ANTI-identity politics. Not stooping to the level of the leftist garbage that’s taken over mainstream culture of late. If we’re going to win, we have to reject it IMO. The reactionaries will only push us further down the road to hell.

We are pretty close to hell. Let's let the people who built this country have a turn running it again. My two sats.

Yeah, how'd we get to the point of browns posting on social media about how "whites have no culture."

I saw the shift in the last 80's as MTV shifted to all-rap. The MYV programmers were accused of racism even though the blacks had BET which did have some music programming. It only took a few years to see whites acting black, ebonics accent and all.

Not to disparage any other cultures.

But it is time to discuss the restoration of white identity, by whites. When you develop friends in other cultures you learn really quick that they view EVERYTHING through the lens of race and skin color. It's natural, they're being honest.

Whites are insanely self-delusional.

Try to get Legal residrncy in the EU as a white male.

The hoops will be endless.