What do you mean by "I don't want SatShoot to be deniable?" Do you want users to be able to expose the inner message if needed?
I need DMs in SatShoot. I also need them to show up on other clients, to have more reach when important things happen, like a Bid lands on a Job.
#Amethyst is planning to drop support for nip04 which is understandable...
But here's the problem: I actually don't want SatShoot DMs to be deniable in case of a dispute between the parties, like we have in nip17.
And since the parties are already related due to the SatShoot deal they have between each other, privacy is not of utmost concern in this case anymore. Encryption is enough is it not?
Mostro uses a special scheme to hide metadata with gift wraps but on level 2 the message is authenticated, not like with rumors in nip17 (and there's a twist for moderation purposes but let's not go there).
While I Iike that solution, it is not interoperable with other popular apps.
I also thought of supporting both nip17 and nip04 at the same time to be more compatible but seems stupid and wasteful.
Wonder what's the best decision here?
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Yes.
Not to me ofc but any potential mediator.
Deniability is an obstacle for the good guy and an escape hatch for the bad guy in marketplace disputes.
I think you can just do NIP-17 without Seals. Just sign the kind:14 and encrypt it inside of the Wrap directly. That means that at any point the receiver can reveal the chat message in plain text.
That would break interoperability, but you could instead sign the rumor
1) Call it "Mail", not "DMs"
2) Have sealed an unsealed. Marketplaces do indeed need signatures for proof.
Your app can than just look at relevant "Mails", without asking Chat apps to mash things like this together in one Chat convos feed.
Chat and Mail are not the same concept. Communication channel VS One-off messages.
Nip-17 suits Mail better.
Some (if not most) Mails need signatures.
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