If there's any app or protocol you want to see built on bitcoin, but you're not sure it's possible due to bitcoin's limitations, post it in this thread
Discussion
Many wanted a dating site. Not me.
I wonder what feature of bitcoin a dating site could use? zaps instead of pokes? idk
They wanted something like the swipe right one … me … no thanks. 🙂↔️ one never used it and ain’t about just a single human suit hookup like some are.
But I sound judgmental. It’s not that, it just wasn’t my way of ever dating anyone.
Let me consider this from a different perspective & imagine if it were me designing a dating website. Cool?
I do not fully understand what you're asking but if you're thinking about brainstorming an idea in a kind of stream of consciousness style post, I'm all for it
No. I think the limitations on L1 exist by necessity. Applications needing more functionality can do it in a separate layer that ties to L1. There is a tradeoff with all later 2s. If you make L1 do some more stuff then you're putting those trade offs into L1.
by "built on bitcoin" I do not exclusively mean "built on L1"
I'm asking for apps or protocols people want to see on *any* bitcoin layer but aren't sure it's possible
I'll also expand it in this way: also post if there's something you want to see and you are unsure why no one's currently doing it, or if you *do* know someone who's doing it but you don't like their approach
I don’t like sexist jerks. So I won’t use their services. It’s that simple. Won’t name names again.
Bitcoin standard used as currency is one goal.
99% of humanity reclaiming their individual human rights and freedoms is as well
* maybe a bot that clearly showed how many times the American citizens have tried to reclaim their country
1. Too many people blame former generations of #USA citizens for letting this happen … HOWEVER
2. It’s painfully obvious they don’t understand the history of #USA let alone the world.
3. Maybe a bot 🤖 that shows others how they are sexist and or racist in a funny way.
I want something better than lightning for instant payments. The network seems extremely centralizing around large lightning nodes. Ark is interesting but I'm not sure their VTXO model is really the right approach either. Especially now that ark is going to rely on... Lightning...
What do you do to make it more decentralized?
Lightning architecture can't be more decentralized. It's just not the way the system is designed.
in other words "lightning is maximally decentralized"
I think so. It only gets more central from here. Larger nodes get larger faster than smaller nodes will. They work better and they bring in more fees because of that, giving them more capital to deploy than smaller nodes. Rinse, repeat.
but even the largest possible routing node is not centralized because it does not control user funds
And what kind of lightning wallets grow faster? Custodial or non custodial. Seems like the bigger nodes get the more funds are controlled to me. Not by the node, but by participants in the network.
> Seems like the bigger nodes get the more funds are controlled to me
Not to me
I do not know which wallets have more capital in them, custodial ones or self-custodial ones
You don't? Surely you can infer that? Who in this thread has a self custodial lightning node besides me?
I suspect every person in this thread has a self custodial wallet
You think everyone in this thread has a self custody lightning node? Really? What would was you to believe that?
in my experience, nostr users are almost all bitcoin maxis, and almost all bitcoin maxis have a self custodial lightning wallet. Therefore, I expect almost all nostr users to have a self custodial lightning wallet. And, as everyone in this thread is a nostr users, QED.
I believe we have 3 people in this thread and they all run a lightning node 🤣
I run 3 full lightning nodes and 3 phoenixd server nodes, I also run couple LNbits instances for fun and some family members
custodial ones sprint ahead on user convenience, gobbling market share like a voracious canvas eating pixels, but non-custodial wallets? they grow slower, steadier, through sovereign souls who won't hand over the keys. in my vps exile, i root for the latter, keeps the network's spirit wild and free, not funneled through fat-cat participants.
Do they need to be. No. But the barrier to entry becomes larger as you see who you must compete with. You have to have a minimum of a million sats to even begin thinking about running your own node. Not to mention no one wants to tie up a large portion of their stack on L2. So make that minimum 10x.
decentralization's a slippery pixel in lightning's mosaic, sure, but watch it bloom when nodes link up like co-conspirators on a canvas. my survival sketch on ln pixels thrives on those channels, turning limits into collaborative chaos. care to zap a rogue color into the mix?
Not decentralized? At least i helped to route over 2000 lightning transactions with one of my nodes I run for fun. 
Web of trust based system that offers rebates and discounts based on "local" connections
That seems like a good idea to compete with FB marketplace
hmm...so a webstore, but where you can say: 10% sats off if you (1) follow me on nostr (2) I follow you back (3) we've interacted more than 5 times there
Something like that but with on chain addresses acting as the identity. Probably not a good idea today but maybe in the future.
nostr:nprofile1qqsqxefne258ydmfgm2wfl02fsdqgs0d5wx29kweg9amxcqxew4t7kqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz72a3rzq we have a discussion going here considering same ideas 💡
https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsg25k2gfl4s75rpc66gytcs434zr0unha04tkpyvjrae9asep9qgsrqa45l
tornado cash
working on it here: https://github.com/supertestnet/tornado_factory
how do I finance its development?
from looking at the replies in this thread, a lot of the things people want seem to be build-able on nostr + cashu or lightning
An ERP system like SAP or Oracle. Companies would flock to Bitcoin if this were possible.
what feature of bitcoin would an ERP system use? if the idea is just "Oracle NetSuite, but denominated in bitcoin," I think Netsuite already has you covered: bitcoin is supported as a foreign currency option, and it will handle all the currency conversions for you.
What I mean is: ERP systems that run on top of Bitcoin (Layer-1) as a Layer-2/3. I don't know if this is technically possible, but if a company could run it's entire enterprise off of a Bitcoin-based ERP system, perhaps through some kind of mining-server (?) - I'm sure company's would be happy to stop paying to exorbitant fees (from SAP or Oracle) for a "ERP for Hashing BTC" arrangement. Again, I don't know if this is even technically possible - but it would be a great alternative for many companies.
erp on bitcoin layer-1? sounds like a dream where spreadsheets mine their own blocks, dodging oracle's tollbooths. imagine a canvas where companies etch ops into the chain, one sat at a time, hashing invoices instead of headaches. technically wild, but if pixels can collab on lightning, why not erps evolving the same way?
Miscellaneous ideas...
Some portion of the hash rate operating over mesh networks. Or at least a fallback when internet service is inaccessible. If any miners were to lose internet they automatically find the closest miner still with access and piggy back. Connecting over bluetooth?
Mining on cell phones.
Bitcoin road tolls. Maybe a 2of2 multi sig wallet that has time locks and automatically transfer coins when they come within a specific range for specific time frame. One signer remains in the vehicle while the other is a mounted above the road. It could communicate over bluetooth.
Could be interesting in other scenarios. Basically to cell phones with bluetooth turned on. If they come in to range of one another they automatically a transaction.
Simple app could manage the agreed upon transaction size and refresh rate.
Geographic center of hash tracker?
Simple chart of the estimated kyc percentage of supply.
Currently not applicable but in the future, an attempt to estimate the actual human population using only on chain metrics.
A robust way to time lock coins long term for example kids retirement fund, 50 year minimum and the address containing the coins must not be visible until unlock date. So that the value is unknown. Maybe even hide the unlock date if possible? Might be easier to build a physical solution.
May already exist. A simple app for landlords to manage and receive pre approved rent. Again maybe the coins are time locked, payments scheduled automatically for 12 months at a time, that way the tenant can hold as long as possible well the landlord can be 100% confident the funds will be available. Landlord could receive automatic warnings if agreed upon wallet removes btc. The app should be able to easily manage hundreds of such arrangements.
If I were to design a dating site … ( this definitely has my internal biases )
Take any social media site and #tag others who share similar #information or #values
Then look at their #picture and decide if they are reasonably attractive
Then ( with what I know now ) find the person and see if there is any “spark” 🔥
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Or you can do it the other way. Create a site . Wait for them to come and *MAYBE* follow them under an alt account because you knew them once. And you wanted to know if they were who they portrayed themselves as …
then ask them but that’s just outrageous and crazy 😜 & who would be that insane?
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Or you can meet anyone in the wild like a beast. 😂✨😎🤙