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> compare monero to bitcoin on every metric except the one it's for

yes monero is not just for privacy, and you are comparing LN to Monero. never ask super testnet why he doesn't like comparing bitcoin (onchain) to monero (onchain) ! (he won't answer)

> doing my challenge before you issue a counter-challenge

doing your challenge to compare LN to monero requires a LN-monero so by waiting the development implies finishing you challenge

> Your post contradicted itself

nope it totally matches up. Monero has 1/400 of the mkt cap of bitcoin and 1/10 of the tx count, why does it not have 1/10 of the spam and way lesser than that? people care to transact more on Monero, thus it may even flip btc on that metric, but it will never have more spam than btc, that means filters work.

> incompatible

Bitcoin has a ruling dynasty that determines that blocks shall be big, for **free**, Monero has a mathematical limit that forces blocks to be small, but **punishes** increase taking away your profit. seems very compatible

> Very funny

never ask a bitcoiner what is a "p2pool" and why is it increasing (they won't answer)

Super Testnet 7mo ago 💬 1

> why he doesn't like comparing bitcoin (onchain) to monero (onchain) !

I do like comparing them, and I often do so

I'll do it again here:

Monero's ring signatures offer similar privacy protections as coinjoins do, with a few caveats:

(1) monero's ring signatures are non-interactive, which is way better than a coinjoin

(2) monero's ring signatures are limited to 16 people in the current protocol, which is way worse than a coinjoin

> doing your challenge to compare LN to monero requires a LN-monero

No it doesn't. I'm comparing LN to "on-chain" monero and I'm saying LN -- as a well-designed off-chain protocol -- offers superior privacy features than "on-chain" monero. I look forward to LN-monero existing maybe someday in the future, but the nice thing is, you don't have to wait! You can have LN-like privacy "right now." Use lightning. It exists and works.

> why does [monero] have [so much less] spam?

I don't know but if I had to guess it's because no one cares to spam it

> monero...forces blocks to be small, but **punishes** increase

This is a contradiction. If they are allowed to increase, they are not forced to be small.

> never ask a bitcoiner what is a "p2pool" and why is it increasing

I don't know what p2pool is or why it is increasing. Care to share?

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Matt 7mo ago

This is sort of where I'm at as a solution. (Lightning and maybe ecash at some point). I'm questioning the assumption that base chain transactions for Lightning/ecash stuff need the same level of privacy. To be fair, my understanding is that I may need to handle a lot of Lightning node stuff myself for the privacy? It seems like using Strike or whatever would expose me to them if they care to track me.

rafael_xmr 7mo ago

So the main agreement is that: no one cares to spam monero, but a lot of people care to transact on it for monetary purposes (about 10% of bitcoin daily count) meanwhile a lot of people care to spam and inscribe data on btc, but not use it for monetary means that much, even when adding LN to the mix (XMR always stays on top with about 50% of volume on markets like shopinbit, mynymbox, silent link, coin cards, etc...)