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Yesterday I was served at a store by a person that clearly contained a penis. Had a man-bun and a she/her badge.

GTFO, at least make an effort to look like a woman if you want to be addressed as such.

Nah I disagree! Doesn’t hurt you, in any meaningful way, to call her what she wants to be called.

IMO, libertarian/classical liberal means let people be and do whatever they want, as long as they aren’t harming someone else.

A case can easily be made that it hurts her more to be put down, than it hurts the other person to address her as she desires. Even if doing so is uncomfortable.

Same case can be made for “I have the right to have a gun as long as I don’t shoot it at people”, or many other examples.

Modern “culture war” issues seem to frequently get in the filter and obstruct all of our ability to exemplify classical liberal/libertarian values.

The irony of two straight men having this discussion is not lost on me, but what’s nice about nostr is the fact that we can disagree, discuss, and nobody gets canceled or banned.

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Parman - Activate OP_GFY now!! 2y ago

Well isn't it a libertarian viewpoint that the confused individual has no right to tell me how to define gender and disrupt the meaning of words that I use? Not a scholar in Libertarianism, but of biology I am.

It's more to not be a dick to use the requested pronouns. So, to avoid a scene, I avoid addressing at all.

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

If it’s a guy and they want to be she, put the work in. My wife is a real woman and there’s alot that goes with that. It’s not a f’ing game where you dress up like a twat and ponce around. Real women are tough muthafuckers not dylan mulvaney fools

Parman - Activate OP_GFY now!! 2y ago

Yeah it was the lack of effort that was weird. Like it was taking the piss out of a weakness in society.

The Daniel 🖖 2y ago

I prefer to treat people like humans and respect them. If they’re not directly harming you, you can give them that courtesy even if you disagree with their life choices.

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

I respect people who deserve respect . That includes those who identify in any way. I am referring to the large bucket of fucking buffoons around nowadays

Laser 2y ago

Exceptions to the rule become attack vectors. Chromosomes determine sex. Sex determines gender. There are no exceptions, only bad actors and trauma victims.

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

It’s a difficult topic, I understand your point and also understand there are those who feel very different. What I particularly dislike though is the promoting and divisive behaviour going on. It has nothing to do with any sense of giving a shit but purely to break people. The State is a staggeringly corrupt , inept, greedy controlling pile of utter BS.

Laser 2y ago

I don't find it all that difficult.

Societal norms exist to protect public, family spaces. When those norms are undermined, it should be considered an attack on our most important institution: the family.

Do whatever you want in private, but respect family spaces.

Laser 2y ago

As it stands, the State is attacking the family. Gays are not victims, they are useful idiots.

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

Agree with that totally

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

I have kids, it is now ‘trendy’ to be gay or whatever. Yes I am well aware teens love to be different but this is f’ing weird. It’s the constant promotion that gay is normal and straight is odd that is bizarre. That is perverse. The Govt actively promote this, that is evil. It is messing with very malleable minds with zero respect for their mental wellbeing imo.

nostrnaut 2y ago

we’re all out here doing the best we can, with the information we have at hand

🫂

BitcoinSandy 2y ago

Sadly the information has softened the brains

of many

Parman - Activate OP_GFY now!! 2y ago

Goes both ways though. I am being asked to play make believe. If I am unable to tell if a person is not actually a woman, fine, but an obvious dude? C'mon.

boston wine 2y ago

I think the assumption that they “should make an effort” to behave in a way that matches our expectations of a traditional gender role is an incorrect one; which ties into your question about whether someone has the right to impose a new vocabulary on you.

I’m not deeply versed in libertarianism by any stretch, but I always found the Rawls-ian liberalism to meet most of my expectations for a “just” societal structure.

Under this view, the “line” between freedom and restriction is right up until the point where another’s rights are impinged upon.

So in this case, it’s that person’s right to ask to be addressed a certain way, it’s the empathetic thing to do to meet that request. That doesn’t mean you’re obligated to do so (and the state certainly doesn’t have the right to force you to).

I think that part of where it all gets tricky is the range and nuances between respect/empathy, rights/freedom, and I won’t even add religion to the mix but ya know…

My approach is, I have never known the kind of experience of life that a trans person has (this view can be extended to the lives of other minority groups). The word “privilege” triggers literally everyone, but the fact is that I have no idea what it’s like to go through that. Whether that’s due to my brain chemistry, hormones, lived experience, or other factors, it’s just true.

Because of this, the best thing I think I can do as a fellow human is to listen, and respect their sharing of this experience. Like nostr:npub1aeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qcq4nwx said, it doesn’t harm me to approach it this way.

Laser 2y ago

As someone with a daughter, kindly go fuck yourself.