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Those are not arguments I can buy.

Where do you put the "he started first" line? How is it acceptable to draw lines based on third countries, colonial style?

Putin - again, not Russia but Putin, since he is an autocrat that cannot represent Russia - has no rights on Ukraine. It is irrelevant if Putin depends more or less economically on Ukraine. Interest which, by the way, he could only protect by propping up another autocratic regime in Kiiv.

Since he is an autocrat whse main victim are the actual Russian citizens, it's fair game to go after his interests. Attacking Putin is not attacking Russia, but exactly the opposite.

As I said, I don't particularly think that it's any of the business of the US to do so. But since there's nobody else around, since Germany has ever since Schroeder become Putin's leading bitch in Europe, it may as well be your business now. I don't care who does it -- it just needs to be done.

I don't particularly care for the welfare of the US tax payer, the Us economy or the primacy of the US dollar - just like I think it's perfectly legitimate that you Americans do not see how removing Putin is of your interest, and that you always tend to have this egotistic view of European affairs.

As a matter of fact, I'm rather inclined to see as a net positive that sanctions on Putin have started to undermine seriously the role of the Us dollar. Just like I see as a net positive the consequences of the terroristic reckless monetary policy of the US government.

And now the twist: I think the ethnic Russian regions of what is currently Ukraine should have the right to secede if they so want, just like any other people in a similar situation does.

That has nothing to do with any of what's happening though, since Putin himself has openly declared that the aim of the aggression on Ukraine was, precisely, regime change.

What's happening will most likely result in Putin becoming stronger & Ukraine being erased & absorbed into Russia. He has only been strengthened so far.

Putin tried to prevent this conflict in multiple ways. The US installed a puppet dictator that has banned all polical oppisition & enslaved Ukrainian citizens to fight for him in an unnecessary war.

The entire Russian economy is dependant on Ukraine. They are a critical trade partner & the only warm water port. Everyone in Russia suffers if shipping is cut off during cold months.

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Anyone who advocates for these kinds of interventions should read Antifragile by Nassim Taleb.

Anyone with such a naive, tyrant-appeasing view of the world such go live in the Baltics for a while, under the long shade of the constant threat and low-intensity terrorism of Putin.

Very circumspect commentary. False dichotomies are all the rage.

That's how you see it, and I see it differently.

In any case, once again, Putin does not have inherent rights to Ukraine's ports. Putin does not have inherent rights to dictate whether Ukraine signs commercial deals with the EU. Putin does not have inherent rights to rig elections in Ukraine.

And most definitely, regardless of everything, Putin does not have inherent rights to military invade and bomb Ukraine, period.

From the historical point of view, I already said I'm all for the ethnic Russian regions to secede, including Crimea, if that's the port you keep talking about.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Russia rejected that in favor of supporting Crimea's independence & secession. What you supposedly support is the Russian position.

The US installed & funded Ukrainian puppet destroyed the peace talks to prevent Crimea's independence & then enslaved all Ukrainian men from ages 18-60 to fight Russia.

If China overthrew the Mexican govt, installed a dictator that was completely hostile to the US, & then put military bases along the border with the US, I think it would be ridiculous not to expect a military response from the US. It was similarly reasonable for the US to prevent the Soviets from putting missles in Cuba. The US, the UN, & NATO are the most militarily agressive forces in the world. Any sane & honest person (who is halfway decently informed) can see who is the agressor here. Turn off the corp news and wake tf up.

False. Putin's position and reason to invade Ukraine was to cause a regime change in Ukraine. Putin himself has openly said that much.

Russian self-determination in Ukraine has nothing to do. And in any case that ship has sailed now with the aggression. Remember how the Baltics and Poland and Bohemia were completely de-Germanized after the war.

All you ifs and buts are meaningless next to an active unilateral military invasion. There is not justification for it, especially when Putin can't even say he represents the interests of Russia. He is a kleptocrat that owns the State like a feudal lord. "Russia's interests" are unknown and more likely than not at odds with Putin's.

Yes, the goal is regime change away from the hostile puppet installed by the US. That's exactly what I would do too.