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HI've noticed on Threads, Bluesky, and even some apps here on Nostr that I’m shown a lot more content from people I’m not following. This is often due to reposts, quote posts, or just the algorithms at work. While this content can be engaging and spark conversations, it’s often not healthy.

I see people posting obviously or maybe obliviously wrong things, which then get corrected and boosted, creating a vicious cycle. For example, someone mentioned considering a hyphenated name for their kids. I shared how my hyphenated name caused issues with computers, especially with international travel. This led to many calling me a bigot because the original poster was a queer woman. It’s odd because I’m queer myself, but it seems they felt an amab queer shouldn’t share personal experiences directly related to the topic.

I also saw clickbait articles about triathletes vomiting at the end of an Olympic triathlon, blaming it on a polluted river. Yes, the river is polluted, but triathletes often throw up at the end of races, and the swim was two hours before the nausea hit.

These issues occurred on Twitter too, but I didn’t experience it the same way there. I used Twitter daily from the moment Jack invited me and our coworkers onto the service, and for me, the conversations were healthier. I understand that many others had negative experiences, though.

On Nostr, I see zaps often rewarding hot takes and posts that signal membership in one group or another. This seems to exacerbate the issue, as people are incentivized to make posts that cater to specific in-groups rather than fostering genuine dialogue.

My worry is that maybe we’re actually doing worse with the new platforms. Is this something other people are seeing? How do we navigate this and foster healthier online conversations?

Eliminate re-posts

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I will stop using whatever client does that

I have to say, it's nice to use coracle when there's something going on that leads to a lot of reposts. Not like on one note, I think that's funny. But like a newsworthy event that everyone is posting all sorts of stuff about & reposting eachother so there's a lot of repetition & lost signal. On a normal day though, I like to see what my follows are sharing.

I forgot Coracle doesn’t have reposts. Hahaha maybe I wouldn’t stop using a client that eliminates reposts then. I still use Coracle sometimes. Definitely far from being my main driver though. I mostly switch between Damus and Primal all day.

The customer knows best!

I think reposts have a place.. but their intergration into the regular content is an opportunity. Whether they are seperate feed, a delay i rendering. Not sure. But often i feel they more noise than signal. But not always.

Reposts are important for reasons I don’t feel I should have to explain.

😅👌

Likes are judged by and opted in by the beholder, as should be re-posts.

#onlyzaps

#onlyquotes

I’m fine with it being an option. I like reactions and reposts.

I think Primal collapses multiple reposts into one. Not sure how they do it, but I just saw one that said reposted by someone and 2 others. For some reason I don’t get bothered by the noise from heavily reposted things in Damus though. I just scroll past without thinking about it. 😂

Yeah im mostly the same. But sometimes when everyone is reposting at the same time, its not really timely content for many users. It doesnt bother me, i more just think its an opportunity for better ux

That would completely cripple discovery. It's enough to aggregate them.

Low signal: re-posts, reactions

Possibility of higher signal: zaps, quotes, comments - things that cost some energy

Zaps are mostly replicating the same social media and parasocial dynamics of legacy social media (lol)

Those turn out to be inherent to humans and not merely an effect of algos.

The people you know, know more people than you do.

Yeah, mostly I'm just pushing against the idea that zaps are some sort of good 'signal' of something

They are, when I use them. 😂

I think the power users who zap are the ones uncovering signal. Not all zaps are equal. Could probably easily filter and measure only power-user zaps.