This is why we need relays running on phones.
Discussion
How would that work? I understand local relay for drafts, cache, etc. But how would it help in situations like the one in South Sudan? Running a hidden service, maybe?
If any phone can spin up a server, government will have to shut down the entire web to stop people from mobilizing
Being a devil's advocate for a second. Wouldn't people with Tor be already resistant to this type of blockage we see in Sudan?
Don't take me wrong, the ease of exposing Citrine over Tor surprised me and the whole concept is super cool. I'm just wondering if you really need Nostr when you have Tor.
they only need to dos tor, because mobile connections cannot directly open ports.
tor is very easy to dos into unusable state, you know this if you use it daily.
you could replace tor with some other solution such as yggdrasil, but its not compatible with general clearnet.
When there were protests here, the signal was blocked in several areas. If the providers work for the government, relays running on phone are a temporary help.
I have been struggling to get my orbot exposed onion hosted citrine relay to work on graphene with a vpn these days. I can put it in outbox and will write to citrine but no one can read it.
One day this will just be seamless to any user
Can nostr:nprofile1qqs827g8dkd07zjvlhh60csytujgd3l9mz7x807xk3fewge7rwlukxgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7auvdel put the tor engine from amethyst into Citrine to expose it in app?
Sure. He can, but maybe the better way is to get Zap store to help people install and setup Orbot for all apps, including Citrine, to use.
Yes, however even after setting up orbot in the same way as I have before, the relay seems to not be able to be read from as an outbox anymore. I can write to it, but it won't be read from?
This may be a particular issue with mullvad/graphene/orbot working together. I know graphene doesn't think orbot is a well coded app.
Eu já estou rodando meu próprio relay usando Citrine. Realmente é extremamente importante que as pessoas rodem seu próprio relay, e está ficando cada vez mais fácil fazer isso graças a Devs como você
Do enough clients support self signed SSL certs? Not Sure how we’d handle those.
Not yet, but we will get there.
I am working on a new DVM focused relay, that would be easy enough to ship to phones.. It would have to be seen how easy it would be to run such an energy hog in the background on some phones *COUGH -IOS- COUGH*
I see a future where old phones are used as servers, at home, connected to wall at all times. This is how we decentralize the infrastructure needed to run services.
Im curious, what OS, or basic services stack do you think they would run? I’ve tried more than one.. .with little success at stability or control similar to a pi……
Run it in temux within android.
I hate temux because devs become too lazy and don't develop an actual app for the normies.
Idk people will spend months making a UI with all the latest api calls and design paradigms to do something as simple as scp a file to another spot.
I'm a fan of it.
Regular Android. They are not going to be able to change the OS or install other things. It must be as easy as plug your old phone in, download an app and let it run.
Android does allow you to run background and foreground services of many kinds.
Ah you’re assuming they have an android here… Yeah tmux is a good idea… But if they have iOS its def not as straightforward to my knowledge … its the stupid simple things like — I’m not sure iOS has allowed INCOMING connections on factory install since the maybe the second version of them.
No one uses iOS outside the developed countries. Everybody has an Android lying around.
And yes, iOS will never allow you to do this.
That could be a great addition once nostr is already big. The priority, in my opinion, should be to #growNostr . Relays on phones does not do that.