Maybe what happened in Nigeria? Statistically the most highly vaccinated countries have the biggest increases in all cause morbidity, beginning at exactly the same time as the vaccination campaign. That’s difficult to explain away.
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Anyone at this point claiming that the vaxxs did any good at all, is not someone that can be reasoned with.
I never believed there was anyone who doubted that many more lives were saved with vaccines than without. All this after the pandemic.
There is nothing more to say about the fact that there are still anti-vaccine people.
Anti mRNA is not anti-vaccine.
So you are a microbiologist by stating this in a scientifically supported way.
I am not a microbiologist, though I am a person with a medical background, and reasonably good understanding of biochemistry and physiology.
I think it is a long dispute here. I don't wanna contribute to debate about the efficktemcy and effectiveness of vaccines.
I posted about Katalin Karikó, who, - as I know - was the first who become known about working out a vaccine, and she is Hungarian.
BTW: my brother is world famous biologist (publicates many times in Nature and Science), and he has some deeper knowledge about this, and I discussed about the pandemia with him, and other friends of mine who are professor of medicine. Nobody was against vaccination, nor declined that the Ckvid is exists.
On the other hand I have seen statistics about statistics both side.
About Sweden we have information about there is no natural immunity against the virus and Swedish leaders was wrong about anti-vaccination.
Many of my friends died from complication of Covid. And they was against vaccination. And only one of my vaccinated friends died, all others survived.
And about the immunity: the black death (the pest) claimed the 1/3 of human population worldwide (of course w/o vaccination). But tt was bacteria not virus
There is no human immunity against AIDS too.
So there is no natural human immunity even not formed immunity against all infection caused by virus or bacteria without vaccination. E.g. every human must have vaccinated against blackpox, polio and so on.
BTW: there is about a debate about origin of Covid, e.g. it is an artifical biological weapon, and developed by US or develkped by China. Ot ks all the same, this pandemia was pandemia.
A hundred words have the same ending the original post was not for or against vaccination.
And with the majority of the human people I also respect the Hungarian Katalin Karikó's work against the Covid.
And nobody knows nothing about "what-if" scenarios.
I think there are many good people working toward tenable solutions to infection, disease, and mortality in human populations. I think it’s possible that mRNA technology has the potential to be amazingly effective at fine tuning the effectiveness of vaccine therapy, but also has the potential to tamper with the DNA of of organisms evolving in a dynamic interconnected way, this evolution being a process of such complexity science has only just started to document pieces of the system. The mRNA technology was patented in 1989, Robert Malone, and the pharmaceutical industry has been rabidly promoting the use in humans since then, but couldn’t get approval in spite of regulatory capture, largely because it’s dangerous and every educated person knows it. The pandemic was the perfect curated opportunity to apply this vaccine technology in a widespread way with no adverse reaction liability for the pharmaceutical companies. Not a single dose was sold to anyone but the governments of the world. The doses were distributed under emergency declarations, sidestepping all of the trial requirements for medicines, vaccines, even food. Bottom line, my opinion, COVID-19 emerged through gain of function research on SARS and coronavirus in Wuhan and Ukraine at bioweapons research labs run by the US and others. Maybe the release was accidental, but the research is prohibited anyway so why does it matter? Frankly I think Russia invaded Ukraine primarily to shut down these labs, but other motivations are involved, similarly the application of experimental vaccines on the world population is predatory opportunism by pharmaceutical companies. It could be much more nefarious, it could be contrived, a ploy to reduce world population, concentrate wealth and power, tag most humans with a graphene oxide liquid RFID chip at the blood brain barrier that is absorbent of certain specific RF frequencies effectively serving as an instant kill switch for every vaccinated human. There is so much information out there. Everyone must plot their own course. As for me, I will never receive another vaccine for anything, and while my family has free choice, no one will ever force a vaccine on them while I live. My trust in the medical, research, government, and regulatory agencies is broken completely and it will be a long road to rebuild that trust, a road littered with people punished for corruption and malfeasance.
I think there are many good people working toward tenable solutions to infection, disease, and mortality in human populations. I think it’s possible that mRNA technology has the potential to be amazingly effective at fine tuning the effectiveness of vaccine therapy, but also has the potential to tamper with the DNA of of organisms evolving in a dynamic interconnected way, this evolution being a process of such complexity science has only just started to document pieces of the system. The mRNA technology was patented in 1989, Robert Malone, and the pharmaceutical industry has been rabidly promoting the use in humans since then, but couldn’t get approval in spite of regulatory capture, largely because it’s dangerous and every educated person knows it. The pandemic was the perfect curated opportunity to apply this vaccine technology in a widespread way with no adverse reaction liability for the pharmaceutical companies. Not a single dose was sold to anyone but the governments of the world. The doses were distributed under emergency declarations, sidestepping all of the trial requirements for medicines, vaccines, even food. Bottom line, my opinion, COVID-19 emerged through gain of function research on SARS and coronavirus in Wuhan and Ukraine at bioweapons research labs run by the US and others. Maybe the release was accidental, but the research is prohibited anyway so why does it matter? Frankly I think Russia invaded Ukraine primarily to shut down these labs, but other motivations are involved, similarly the application of experimental vaccines on the world population is predatory opportunism by pharmaceutical companies. It could be much more nefarious, it could be contrived, a ploy to reduce world population, concentrate wealth and power, tag most humans with a graphene oxide liquid RFID chip at the blood brain barrier that is absorbent of certain specific RF frequencies effectively serving as an instant kill switch for every vaccinated human. There is so much information out there. Everyone must plot their own course. As for me, I will never receive another vaccine for anything, and while my family has free choice, no one will ever force a vaccine on them while I live. My trust in the medical, research, government, and regulatory agencies is broken completely and it will be a long road to rebuild that trust, a road littered with people punished for corruption and malfeasance.
BTW: you could have told your statement to the corrupt leaders of the EU, who did not allow you to travel abroad (even within the EU!) if you had not been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.
I believe the travel restrictions and lockdowns were an exercise in social conditioning and a psychological operation to test the widespread tolerance for tyranny.
The main risk factors for covid were age and obesity
In 2020 the median age in Nigeria was 16.9 and the obesity rate was 11.3%
For the USA it was 38.6 and 42.4%
This isn't a pro vax or mandate post, but these sorts of comparisons do have flaws.
I wonder if there is a country with demographics similar to the US that had limited exposure to the vaccines. Sweden perhaps? Excellent point about comparisons, Nigeria also has a pointedly different culture and lifestyle that may be less conducive to viral propagation.
Sweden was anti lockdown. They are more vaccinated than the USA. Not sure if there is a good comparison country (though as soon as the US opened their borders I considered this whole thing completely over and muted all the words on twitter so maybe I missed a thread or two on this)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=USA~SWE
This is frustrating to read. Wake up! Covid does not exist, no body died from it... People died from improper medical treatment for an imaginary disease and for not receiving medical treatment while hospitals were in lockdown mode and not accepting patients with legitimate illnesses.
Most of the so-called "medical professionals" cannot find an asshole in the dark using both their hands unless they consult their medical handbooks, so they were treating people with flu and other illnesses with deadly prescribed "covid" protocols that ultimately killed them.
All other deaths later on were from the vaccines themselves.
You have some reading and research homework to do: https://denisrancourt.ca/categories.php?id=1&name=covid
Thanks for the link, though I disagree with a few points you made, I think there is some validity to the medical professionals and vaccine hazards points.
OK so this guy is a Physicist who:
- Changed his course to be SJW BS
- Got fired for giving all of his students A+ marks on the first day
It is actually possible for covid to exist but also for people to die from being treated improperly and for the vaccines to be dangerous and have poor efficacy.
Well said.
Physicist. Question. Do you perceive mathematics as a human construct used to describe the physical world fairly accurately, or the fundamental language of the universe, where any shortcomings in applying that language is simply a lack of understanding of nuance and complexity by our species?
It seems to me that if mathematics is the most concise methodology for communicating and describing aspects of the natural world animal intelligences other than humans would have capitalized on this long ago. Opinions?
If intelligent life from another galaxy showed up on earth tomorrow would their fundamental mathematics be the same as ours?
Ahh, the multiversum theory :-)
I saw dicumentaries about this on Natgeo or BBC Earth
If you were designing an experiment to determine how an animal is assessing quantity how would you determine if the assessment is numerical or spatial? I think it’s interesting to ponder. Maybe three dispensers with identical treats each set to dispense a different number of treats over the course of a day? Would a dog eventually optimize the system if every machine would dispense one treat before progressing to the maximum set number and disabling the other dispensers?
Basic arithmetic skill (non spatial) has been proven in African grey parrots.
Why is it always the parrots?! If you ever have a vendetta against a person who is an animal lover, buy them a pet parrot. They live as long as we do, it’s like having a destructive, messy, noisy child that can fly in your house for the rest of your life. Anyway thanks for the rabbit hole lead. Off I go!
Depends on what kind of parrot. The Lori parrot lives only 5-7 years.
But the Cockatoo approx 100, and it can bites off your finger...
As a child our family was gifted a male Amazon Bluefront parrot. He loved my mother and would attack any male person in the house, flying off of her shoulder to assault them. I understand that they can live 85 years. He will certainly outlive my mother, not by much though. I absolutely will not be assuming the parrot’s care when she passes. 😁
The Ara kind parrot is similar the Cockatoo regarding lifetime. Try to give it to the Zoo 😉
I had turtles when I was a child. They live for hundreds of years. My father gave them to the Zoo for free. They still live happily 😊😊
I will home him. I don’t despise him for being a parrot, a zoo might be just the right solution. I enjoyed the idea of your childhood turtle pets living at a zoo. 😃
But wait! We said the covid has been created in a lab.
I think it’s pretty likely the coronavirus was subjected to gain of function research and subsequently released, either intentionally or accidentally.