Banning a truly decentralized protocol is hard. On a related note, Bluesky is unavailable in the US state of Mississippi.
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Wasn't Blue sky supposed to be decentralized or no?
That's the rub.
Bluesky is a client used to access a protocol, it's kinda like the equivalent to primal on nostr as someone else put it earlier.
The actual protocol itself is decentralised but the client bluesky is not.
You can use other ATproto clients in Mississippi, you'll see all your feeds. This is just in-group/out-group tribal stuff and distracts from the actual issue, which is the law itself.
Also "come break the law with us" probably isn't the best marketing strategy for Nostr.
AT Protocol, which Bluesky acts as an app view and full ATP stack suite for, is decentralized in protocol. In practice, however, +90% of the entire AT Protocol user-base is on (and will always be on) Bluesky, making it de facto centralized.
This kinda reminds me of when I was onboarding my step daughter to Nostr and she couldn’t get a primal wallet … I guess because of her age.
I ended up getting her on ecash and other solutions…. But makes me kinda ponder 🤔
How much freedom is too much freedom?
Like I’m against child porn. Obviously,
But how can laws be enforced if everyone is anon ?
Even if everyone was anonymous….
There ip is still doxxed … right?
Idk what I’m even talking about just want more discussion on this topic….
I guess my question is…. Should there be age restrictions?
Should there be any restrictions?
No.
I was watching videos of cartels beheading people when I was 12 and I turned out fine.
Some parts of nostr are not going to be for children obviously but the cool thing about nostr is without ads and algorithms kids don't have to see anything bad.
Parents just need to monitor their online activities until they are mature enough and understand online safety.
There's plenty of devout Christians and Muslims on nostr who like it because they aren't being shown porn and gambling advertisements every time they scroll.
Nostr is for everyone.
Parents responsibility can't be downplayed.
Yea Nostr is prob safer for kids than yt or tik tok or Snapchat….
Good points.
Are there any Nostr apps specifically for kids yet?
Or could you build parental controls into a Nostr app?
Or somehow share an npub with your kids?
So it’s easier to monitor what they are looking at??
Its up to relays and media servers to handle that sort of content. They can report it or filter it out, etc. We need more tools for this.
Ohhhh
My friend in Gaza could not use the primal wallet. Shame because he's ignorant to Bitcoin and it would have been perfect way to start learning.
Trying to convince him to download amethyst and a seperate wallet now, it's all too much for him with the daily struggle trying to find food and keep his kids alive though.
call me a boomer, but i haven't been able to figure out how to zap anyone. when i go to primal web wallet it asks "WHO ARE YOU?" and that should have been the easy mode.
I actually think that nostr may make it much easier to convict pedos in the courts for sharing child porn.
Facebook (the number one website used for sharing child porn) just deletes accounts and tries to cover the problem up, which in many cases makes it harder for local police.
But it's up to media hosters on nostr to police that. Only the notes are permanent, media can be taken down unless it's self hosted.
Some writer think like this :
Having their own printer at home , write a book then go to publisher begging to the publisher to published their book.
Some writer think like this :
Write book , printed it on their own printer machine at home and sell the book on free market .
See the different . Once depend on the system , the other one totally free.
Pretty sure it’s just the official app, though. It’s still accessible via alternate clients.
***laughs in Nostrich***
Could nostr even be banned? I suppose they could deem it illegal but what would that really do?
It would be very difficult, but they could just ban it from app play stores and most people would never use it then.
That won't stop people from using the network tho. Damus being banned just started a war and workarounds and iOS users was right back to being connected. The only way I see it being possible would be to block access to all relay and web client domains. But there's simple enough ways to vet around that.
Given that shakespeare will let anyone vibe code a web client in minutes, that seems pretty hopeless too.
Better link for that (sorry, moving fast this morning!) https://shakespeare.diy/
Except that there are more clients that are web based than are app based. Coracle, satellite.earth, snort.social, nostrudel.ninja, primal.net (okay that one does both), iris.to, and those many others I haven't personally sampled yet.
Vs what, Damus, Primal (app), Yakihonne, Nostur, and Amethyst?
That just makes a workaround easier. Much easier accessing a blocked website vs side loading a client on iOS and soon to be Android as well, at least for people running stock builds.
Using DNS for discovering relays technically makes it possible I guess but a VPN, Torr, etc can bypass that.
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Awhile back I made a prediction I hope doesn't come true.
Primal introducing age verification and all the other nostr clients getting banned from app/play stores.
😂
Fake decentralization in effect.
Well this is a bummer. Probably not a lot of Brazilians in Mississippi.
60% of the time it works every time
Anyone can access their Bluesky/ATproto feed in Mississippi via other Atproto clients. Which isn't a good thing either, it's the law itself that is the issue.
But only the Bluesky app. Not Bluesky the network. It's as if Amethyst claimed it no longer works in Mississippi (because of reasons) but you can still uae Damus or whatever is the name to access the relays
Now let them experiment with it. I'm not a Bluesky fan but if they manage to acheive something it's still cool
People are both right and wrong in criticizing Bluesky here. Bluesky is centralized, mostly—both in the sense that it's a centralized AT Protocol host but also in the sense that +90% of AT Proto accounts are on, and will probably always be on, Bluesky. AT Protocol has the capability of being decentralized, and "de jure" is insofar as being a decentralized protocol. De facto, however, it's not decentralized.