"Ownership in this sense is about covenantal responsibility, not property." I truly wish that was the case, but Laser's initial assertion betrays that value.

"My daughters are too valuable for a career."

The problem isn't so much Laser's opinion or believe. It's that he's already undermining and relating to them through a lens of, "You're incapable of competence." It's incredibly condescending, and it's a lie that's already damaging them.

"a line in the sand." What line? You're not allowed to work? That's not a good idea.

My personal philosophy of parenting seems quite different from yours, or Laser's. Whether it's a son or daughter, it's not fundamentally a father's responsibility to clear the weeds and point to the path worth walking. "Don't be careful. Be competent."

It's fundamentally a father's responsibility, beyond the practicals of food and shelter, to help and inspire their son or daughter to discover their voice and identity as designed by God, to give them a base of security in part by making sure they know they are loved no matter what, to emotionally coach them in how to handle themselves intrapersonally and interpersonally, to teach them what boundaries are and how to assert them, and to give them the tools necessary to make decisions that lead to Heavenly outcomes, personally and generally. Or, in your language, to teach them how to pick the weeds and clear the way, in intimate partnership and relationship with God, because to some degree that's how they learn, how they become competent, and grow in character.

I don't think Laser is making god's of his daughters or of their autonomy. I think he's worshipping his own judgement, probably without asking God what He wants Laser to teach his daughters. I could be wrong, but that's the way it seems to me.

Appreciate the back and forth. I hear you. I’ve laid out MY case. I think it’s better at this point for nostr:nprofile1qqsr26r4lltjnvrwadxp67ns58m4qpzaqemhf5sup7hlujhjh7t296qppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5q3samnwvaz7tmswfjk66t4d5h8qunfd4skctnwv46qhg7k6g to answer what he means If he’s so inclined. But I believe I understood his whole premise and understanding of where he was going.

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Based on the feedback I've been getting from him, though I could be wrong, he seems to be doubling down. But I hope I'm wrong.

You wish to send your daughters into the arms of the world to "protect" them from the tyranny of father control.

This is evil. Of Satan. Masked in progressive apologetics.

I wish to send my daughters into their own families to be wives, mothers, and home makers.

You will hesitate to create the environment, culture, and expectations necessary to protect them from the world and provide a life of lasting meaning and dignity.

I will not.

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"Dude you can't CONTROL her!"

Your kids are your property and I don’t why people feel uncomfortable saying that

Otherwise they’ll just become property of the state and society.

And most of us don’t live in a society that we want them to belong in…

People are afraid to say it because they are retarded.

Abdicating authority to the state is the modern man's way of absolving himself of any responsibility or duty.

Apparently you can.

This is so good.