I just want a clean Debian with the newest GNOME and without any of the garbage apps installed by default.

Is that too much to ask? Why is this close to impossible currently?

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Grab the net install, then apt install gnome-core. That should do what you want. It has very little installed initially. I like to do XFCE that way for my old hardware.

https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

That's outdated GNOME. I want the current release, i.e. https://release.gnome.org/47/ ... that's the tricky part.

Otherwise yes, I have done that, I had to use the older installer and then just installed gnome-core manually from commandline. It was PITA, but doable.

Debian isn't your friend then 😂

That being said I've run testing as a daily driver in the past, that gets you newer packages. Apt pinning is also an option.

I'm not familiar with apt pinning? What would be to the command to install newer gnome-core?

Basically you add the testing or unstable repository to your sources list. Then you can pin certain packages to pull from them, while keeping a mostly stable base system.

https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration

https://douglasrumbaugh.com/post/apt-pinning/

I achieved this with KDE by doing an absolute minimum Debian install and not installing a desktop environment.

There's also usually a minimal installation that's just the bare bones without all the extra bloat for most desktop environments. So it takes a little bit of extra work But the end result is completely clean install.

I'm just not a fan of KDE. I prefer GNOME, especially the newest versions are so smooth, clean and smart.

Sure, my point being is you can probably do the same thing with gnome.

You can't get the new version of GNOME. When you install gnome-core on most recent Debian you get GNOME 43 and I would like GNOME 47...

Try Debian 13? It's technically the testing version of Debian but I've been using that as my daily driver for close to six or seven months now due to buying a newer laptop and I've had very little issues.

I'm not sure if by "most recent" you mean stable or testing.

Can you please check what version of GNOME it has? (Or you don't have GNOME at all?)

I dont have gnome at all but ill check half a sec.

That would be great, ok, I'll try this path