The goal of NIP-09 is to suppress the casual display of your notes in clients, not scrub every storage device on the planet. The Internet is forever.
NIP-09 will probably keep your stupid boss or your nosy ex-boyfriend from snooping on you... unless he's the sort of guy who works here.
I had a bad breakup with a guy like that, once.
Yes, he downloaded all your notes and he will continue to download them.
No, he's not gonna delete 'em.
No, there's nothing we can do about that or about his collection of (fake) revenge porn or the drone that occasionally hovers over your house or how he's taken to confronting the New Guy in the company parking lot.
I'm sorry.
I was saying something similar. Why would you just be like 'it is what it is', when you can have a Good Enough deletion to stop an opportunistic bad actor. The disgruntled colleague scenario. Devs are WFH people who think we're all Mr Robot too lol.
It's always the same argument:
'the internet is forever, so there's no point having any form of delete'.
Yes, it's not all-or-nothing. Most people aren't trying very hard to find the data and they aren't hacking into obscure websites or reading through entire blockchains, to find your embarrassing rant or whatever.
Let's be honest:
Most people don't even type in URLs. They can't find any information on the Internet unless they use a search engine.
True, but this is as many good guys as you can vs one "bad" guy issue. It's a losing position imo. bad is "bad" because I think this is firmly in the gray area
It's a similar thing with polls. The argument is polls must be zappolls so they can't be manipulated. Like every poll is going to be this serious and requires this. So nonzap polls aren't even an option lol. No fun allowed on nostr 😤😤
Yeah, I miss polls. Those were fun.
I used to do womens' fashion and beauty polls on Twitter, with my predominantly-male followers (cuz of my otherwise nerdy feed), which got a lot of attention.
We uncovered deep, dark, secrets like
"most men like big boobs",
"modest clothing makes you nearly invisible",
"you look better with makeup on",
"low WHR is essential, but height doesn't really matter, unless it's extreme",
"blonde hair widens your dating options because guys who prefer blondes tend to be rabid about it, and the rest of the guys are just like, Yay, girls! 🤩",
"But dark hair and light eyes will pick most of the blonde-fetishists",
"Most racist men aren't racist enough to find an objectively beautiful woman unattractive".
😂 Science 🤌🏻
1+ on the blondes thing
I have been very conflicted on this, I guess it's worth reconsidering the idea of nip-09 == privacy. I personally would (and still intend to) manage a note archive for permanent history, ignoring any deletes of course. I suppose this would likely only relate to kind01, however if I was a pita I would also hoover nip46 traffic and other npub identifying traffic to prove a point. The world is full of malicious people, and I firmly believe once you touch your keyboard you are voluntarily producing information that could be of value to a bad actor. I don't want computing systems to function this way, but the reality is they do.
to also reply to nostr:npub1njst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9s6k7fqx point on "Good Enough deletion to stop an opportunistic bad actor" it only requires someone like me to stand-up an archival service and all it takes is someone to search a profile to supply these "opportunistic bad actors". In fact one could argue this is worse as deletion events could also be recorded and shown that user's attempted to hide/edit notes. I'm simply stating this is too easily combated and will always be the case when content is distributed, period. We cannot force people who believe in permanent history to respect your pseudo-privacy.
I suppose I was thinking of Nostr as it is now, but yeah what you say does make sense. With current tools available it would be slightly tricky for a non-techy disgruntled co-worker to do much, in a low effort way. But yes, it sounds like somebody could build them a very easy tool. (I suppose in this scenario your best bet may be to Delete All and they'd have the same problem as searching through all posts lol, but then why bother).
I disagree with the description of this being people who believe in permanent history vs 'pseudo-privacy'. I think everyone pretty much knows by now the internet is a permanent record. I was merely hoping for a scenario of there being at least a skill/effort barrier and reduction of ease and possibilities.
But yeah I also know v little lol as a non-techy user.
Don't say that. Devs always say stuff like that to intimidate users, so that they don't have to build one more feature they think is stupid. 😂
You're a real user. You're the one with the subject knowledge, not him. You tell him what YOU want and it's his job to deliver or you use someone else's stuff.
It's ok, I always take Dev chat with a pinch of salt. I don't think devs are proper people to be respected lol;)
