Our local police dept uses Sig Saur p320 as their duty weapon. Apparently this gun has been the subject of discussion about firing in a way that "It just went off", without the owner pulling the trigger. I've always been sceptical about this idea, but recently one of the officers in town said his gun was in the holster, he was walking, and it went off. The gun was examined and the casing had failed to eject, they said because it was in the holster. Anyway, if any of you own this model, you might want to research the lawsuits about this issue. #gunstr #grownosr #sigsauer
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Terrible weapon and yes, many law suits.
I Prefer Glock
My only issue with Glock is not having a model with a thumb safety.
I hope one day they make it happen.
I thought all guns just went off by themselves. They have a mind of their own and must be banned.
There's a warranty program where you can check your serial number to see if it's affected & then ship it in to them.
Highly suggest all p320 owners do so as the original models are not drop safe whatsoever.
There's a bunch of evidence of people making them go off, one guy with a hammer, others by just dropping many times.
People have messed with the triggers to make them a bit heavier of a pull & that seemed to fix the issue.
Really whack bc I want a manual safety on my pistol & outside of 1911/2011 models most do not - but now my confidence in sig is shaken even though everyone I know has em - including ex military.
This is a real, if complex, issue. I have many p320’s, both commercial and self manufactured. While I do not believe the “it just went off on its own” stories, there are legit cases of discharge without pulling the trigger (specifically, the design had to be revised because dropping the firearm could make it fire without pulling the trigger).
The main problem with the p320 is how easy it is to pull the trigger unintentionally. Most models do not have a manual external safety selector. None come with a “tab” in the trigger face itself to lock the trigger until force is applied across the front face of the trigger; as a result, you can slide along the side of the trigger and pull it rearward.
For all my p320’s that I carry, I use either a tabbed trigger or an external safety. Only on my suppressed bedside p320 range toy p320s do I have no safety mechanisms.
Interesting, we've never owned a sig sauer. I have multiple variations of M&P's, but havent heard of any similar issues. Although i've kinda been out of the loop on current gun news.
The reason you never hear of such issues is because it’s a major misstep by the company (the fire when dropped issue). The “it just went off” is probably an artifact of inexperienced users like police officers (sadly). Similar stories were common when glocks hit the market. The glocks have a tabbed trigger but that wasn’t enough to keep fingers from depressing triggers when unholstering (especially from holsters requiring index finger to depress a button to unlock the gun from the holster).
The old saying was “don’t pull the trigger if you don’t want it to go off.” Now it’s “keep your finger off the trigger unless it’s ok if it goes off.” I suppose the p320 will change this to “don’t let anything touch the trigger, even the side of the trigger, unless you want it to go off.”
M&P is a good choice. I wanted handguns I could manufacture myself so as to avoid the gun free school act of 1994…Did you know you the state can abduct you and hold you against your will for a decade if they catch you existing within 1,000 feet of a school with a firearm used in interstate commerce. The Supreme Court struck down this law as applied to firearms in general but pointed out that the federal government could assign themselves this power if they abused the commerce clause of the constitution by applying the law only to guns used in interstate commerce…which is almost every gun with a serial number. Now I can drive around town without risking prison.
There are so many ridiculous gun laws that most of us probably break them every day. Any excuse for the goons to take your guns and your rights.
Exactly. I got my fleet of p320s, p229s, 1911s, glocks, and a 2011 before they made the precursor parts “illegal” by executive decree. This rule change and accompanying prison sentence probably applies to you but doesn’t apply to me because of the organizations I’m a member of…the rule change has been preliminarily thrown out while awaiting full litigation, but only as applied to the members in the lawsuit. Basically, you have to join a “lawfare defense club” like gun owners of America, firearms policy coalition, second amendment foundation, etc to enjoy your rights while courts delay justice for years and years, sometimes decades.
I've heard lots of good things about 2nd amendment foundation, need to join them.
Btw, the the officer i mentioned came close to bleeding out because the round hit a lower leg artery. He called for help and they put tourniquets on it till he got to a hospital.