Dear Nostr, I need help getting my head around pricing in sats vs denominating in sats 😵‍💫 If in fact is not even the same thing?

I have a seasonal product that I make once per year (yes it's marmalade!), the cost for making it will not change until next year as I bought all the ingredients and materials already. If I wanted to 'price in sats' does this mean not changing the sat price regardless of any value increases/decreases over the coming year? Say bitcoin doubles, my customers would effectively be paying twice as much if I do not track the fiat price, when they should be experiencing a discount instead.

So far I believe I have been pricing in fiat and denominating in sats, therefore anyone paying with bitcoin gets their goods cheaper over time.

What is this idea for pricing in sats, perhaps I just don't understand the terminology?

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I have actually thought about this for in the future. This will be a very tricky metric. And I honestly don't know what the answer will be. Going to need someone far more intelligent than I to answer that question.

Once Sats are the medium of exchange for everyone in the world, those Sats will gain value on a daily basis depending on how much value the world created. Bitcoin will have to encompass that value. Like I said, a very tricky metric. I am not sure how we would measure that.

However, we are still in the very early stages of adoption. We are no where close to having to wrangle with that issue as of yet.

Right now, we are still measuring Bitcoin's monetary value in Dollars, or whatever national currency you use. Unless you as a business want to go in and change your prices on a daily, or even hourly basis (God candles) then I would suggest charging a firm fiat price that is denominated in Sats, and only accept Sats.

Perhaps someone has a better idea, but that's just my 2 Sats.

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It is also a lot easier from a technical aspect to price in fiat and let software display a sats price for me, all of the PoS apps, customer wallets and even Nostr can do this automagically.

Will be really interesting how prices will adjust themselves after hyperbitcoinisation, for example I can work out how much something cost me to produce in sats, how much I spent on the materials and energy, even my own time will have a sat value on that day... not sure what signals will be used to then reduce a price of something that has already been produced but the money to buy it is more valuable (without fiat to compare to). Would it be simply determined from the rate on new coins getting mined?

Yeah, a very tricky metric. However, I do believe nostr:nprofile1qqsg86qcm7lve6jkkr64z4mt8lfe57jsu8vpty6r2qpk37sgtnxevjcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezummjv9hxwetsd9kxctnyv4mqgevlfj on this. It will trend down towards the price of production. And honestly, by that time, we will be using robots for the production of just about everything, if not absolutely everything. So your labor probably won't be a factor in the equation.

It’s a tough question and no right answer. Just do what feels best to you.

They way I do it: I set the price of our products in sats based on the rough fiat price at the time minus a discount for Bitcoin. As the price of Bitcoin rises, I gradually adjust the sats price down. People pay fewer sats over time for a jar of honey. But if Bitcoin falls I do not raise if again; people can temporarily buy honey at a discount and I get to stack the dip. It’s worked for me since we started but idk how it holds up longer term.

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that's actually very cool in that it takes away any effort from the customer to remember how much they paid last time. it's literally in your face how much is being saved

thankyou for sharing your method, I HAD noticed the sale but not really understood what was going on.

I sell my feasts in £ but accept bitcoin as payment and just get the spot price. I guess when my feast is £60 a meal it’s easy to value but as sats it would be 77,000 sats which I think sounds like a lot of generation wealth to hand over where as £60 for a meal is kind of normal. Don’t know, hard one to call.

Do you accept Bitcoin for any of the other stuff you do or just the feasts?

Currently just the feasts. work

Working on the family bakery to accept but bit more orange pilling to go first!

I think about doing a Bitcoin Camp. All prices in Sats. Same price, independent of the Fiat stuff.

I think you understand absolutely correctly.

Until prices are denominated in a stable money (ie Bitcoin, not fiat), we will be in this situation.

Right now we are at the mercy of Blackrock and VC money and whatever else is pushing the Bitcoin "price".

Its a natural 2nd order effect from prioritizing SoV use and wooing Wall Street adoption.

You've gotten so many good practical answers, and I just wanted to mention something that came to mind as I was reading your post. I think that it can be useful for us (bitcoiners) to start to think in terms of sats rather than fiat - even if you adjust your sat prices based on the fiat exchange.

Basically try to denominate your decisions in sats as much as possible, living your own life on a bitcoin standard, and then adjust prices as needed when you interface with the fiat world.

💯agree! Thinking in sats and getting others to as well is already a good start 🤙

For me, as I'm selling services and get paid on completion of the service, i take my usual price for a haircut in £ and tap that into my lightning wallet to bring up a sat price.

My only advice is to Keep it simple.