If __you're__ complaining, its likely because we're at carrying capacity for these ideas.

Meaning there is not much room for more of these topical conversations and those not in the circle are just like "Alright, we get it, BTC Twitter". There's just less room for other topics because they're dominated by btc/nostr talk.

There are really only two results for overpopulation (too many btc/nostr posts) in a space with increasing population (nostr users) - either the space collapses because there's not enough resources (not enough diverse ideas floating around) or the space adapts. If its the former, then nostr was never as robust as we thought.

but i'd say we're betting against that 😉

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The network as it is right now has massive inertia from top users and top topics. I'd say an algorithm would budge it. But ultimately, without consistent and pressure (__good__ algorithms, turned on for the majority of the time) the system will go back to how it normally is.

Additionally, if you haven't noticed - btc & the btc posters obsessing over btc have a repelling effect to most people. So we have a preferential atachment model that actively is discouraging for those that don't conform to following the big topics and accounts.

*Ultimately, without stong and consistent pressure

Yup, it keeps getting compared to the news/journalism niche that Twitter started out with, leaving out the fact that news/journalism is in no way as repelling/weird/geeky as the BTC cult.

Oh, I've definitely noticed. I used to like to write about Bitcoin, sometimes, on Twitter, but it's been shoved down my throat so monotonously and hysterically, since I've been here, that I usually just scroll past Bitcoin-whatever stuff.

It's been much more interesting, discussing Bitcoin at meetups, as the discussions are more profound and philosophical, holistic or highly technical. I bet that depth of Bitcoin convo would be less off-putting for new arrivals, as it would mostly be academic, but the algorithmic pressure is clearly against it.

100%

Especially during a pump.

I am tempted to leave nostr entirely, i sort of settled with using nostr very sparingly during a 'bullmarket', and not at all when there are a few % pump days. (There's no point, I know what nostr is saying without opening it).

My twitter feed is on the whole much better all round, but certainly during biggish price moves up, and down. (The only person on my twitter feed talking about the price of bitcoin pumping is jay dyer lol).

Building for you 🫡

Yeah, I've decided to start the #Alexandria warm-up program, by writing more long-form. That's a kind that is still more open-ended, as to subject matter.

The problem is that it's too difficult to build "bubbles" on here. On Twitter, I see a completely different feed from most of the Bitcoiners: full of modest fashion, theology, German politics, economics, etc.

It was actually interesting to those people, when I occasionally wrote something about Bitcoin because they didn't see that much. On here, I avoid writing about it, as I feel like I'm just adding to the noise, and I'm obviously not drinking the kool-aid hard enough to please the really religious that dominate, so my comments always fill up with The Hyperventilating And Hysterical.

I'm like a normie Bitcoiner. Nondenominational Bitcoiner. Also, I'm poor. Nobody wants to hear from poor Bitcoiners. 😅 Theoretically, we don't actually exist. In reality, we're the vast majority.

I think a lot of the post Actually About Bitcoin get lost in the Slogans About Bitcoin and posts About The Price of Bitcoin. Which is why some people mute the word(s) on nostr, when there is no real need to do this on twitter, even if your twitter feed I s a bit bitcointwitter bubble.

Lack of subculture bubbles, definitely. Lack of mechanisms to foster subcultures thriving here and little or no reach to attract other subcultures here in the first place.

But mostly no one cares cos they want bitcointwitter2, and they have it too lol.

Yeah, they usually deny that there's even a problem. What is the problem? Why would anyone want to talk about anything other than Bitcoin? There _is_ nothing other than Bitcoin.

Fiddling, while Rome burns.

it's quite literally the most common and damning complaint about nostr lol

but it gets brushed under the rug with 'they're not ready for freedomtech' and 'there's no algo here to spoonfeed you on nostr'. completely ignoring the cultural problem and lack of network effect and even worse... a lack of any hope for a network effect.

it's sorta funny for a bit, but it's been the same since i've joined a wee bit ago now.

bitcoin fixes everything

There's a real irony here. Why is it even annoying to bring it up? What are you going to do when the next group comes around, sees the fire, doesn't complain and builds a solution? Don't get left in the dust.

The developers and memers and etc. have formed such a safe bubble, that they don't face direct competitive pressure, so they don't react quickly to market conditions. The pressure has only been from outside Nostr, and that's easier to ignore because "they don't understand how great the protocol is", "they don't understand how great Bitcoin is", "they don't understand how great our devs are", "they don't understand how wonderful we are".

That doesn't make the conditions go away, but it does leave them wide-open to being replaced by someone from _within_ their bubble, who understands that the current implementations of the protocol are poorly designed, and offers a viable, smoothly-running alternative.

As soon as one person or team breaks ranks, it's over.

Properly catering to communities is going to be disruptive af, there's no way around that.

A big part of the current NIPs don't apply or are badly designed (even for the Twitter clones).

A big part of the currently used terminology doesn't apply neither.

Follow lists ❌

Kind 1 replies ❌

NIP-05 ❌

"Log In", "Account", "Web Of Trust", ... ❌

Etc...

Luckily, relays are communities (by default) and keys, events and bitcoin make them interoperable (by default). Just need to build out from there.

There's a second level of irony I'm finding along the lines of - "If your complaining why don't you build your own client?"

That's the thing. We are, and we're really not playing around.

Lol yeah. 🤝