"..aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you" - 1 Thessalonians 4:11

He shows of how many evils idleness is the cause, and of how many benefits industry. And this he makes manifest from things which happen among us, as he often does, and that wisely. For by these things the majority are led on more than by spiritual things. For it is a mark of love to our neighbors not to receive from them, but to impart to them. And observe. Being about to exhort and admonish, he places in the middle their good conduct, both that they may recover even from the preceding admonition, and from the threat, when he said, He therefore that rejects, rejects not man, but God, and that they may not be restive at this. And this is the effect of working, that one does not receive of others, nor live idly, but by working imparts to others. For it is said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Acts 20:35 And to work, he says, with your hands. Where are those, who look out for work that is spiritual? Do you see how he takes from them every excuse, saying, with your hands? But does one practice fasting with his hands? Or watchings all night? Or lyings on the ground? This no one can say. But he is speaking of spiritual work. For it is truly spiritual, that one should by working impart to others, and there is nothing equal to this. That ye may walk, he says, becomingly. Do you see whence he touches them? He has not said, that you may not be shamed by begging. But he has indeed insinuated the same, yet he puts it in a milder way, so as both to strike and not to do this severely. For if those who are among us are offended at these things, much more those who are without, finding numberless accusations and handles, when they see a man who is in good health and able to support himself, begging and asking help of others. Wherefore also they call us Christ-mongers. On this account, he means, the name of God is blasphemed. Romans 2:24 But none of these things has he stated; but that which was able to touch them most nearly, the disgracefulness of the thing.

- John Chrysostom

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This is really interesting.

I often find myself drawn to this scripture when thinking about deeper values and goals. I want to obey Christ and to advance His Kingdom and I do that in the capacity of the spheres where I am directly responsible - like most people, self/marriage/family/work/community.

Modern churches are far too industrious but for their own brand, in a fiat way nicely highlighted in Thank God For Bitcoin.

So I end up coming back to this 'lead a quiet life'. What does it mean when contrasted with the command to 'take up the cross and follow', in that Jesus didn't seem to be calling the disciples to a quiet life in the way we envisage it, and yet Paul's description here lands somewhere between Walden and Walnut Grove. And yes, it stirs a longing, even in this already quite idyllic part of British suburbia adjacent to a thriving countryside, where I sit connected to the industrious world through a virtual interface.

I'm listening to a lot of Cal Newport's work at the moment but he only really hints at the spiritual side.

There's something here, and I'm scratching at it, but can't quite put it together.

I can see this is a major pain point for you, and I wish I had a simple answer that would solve all those competing anxieties, but unfortunately I'm not that articulate and I suspect my worldview is different than yours while we agree on the banner of "Christian".

I will say one thing, and I hope its encouraging. Much of my anxiety when I was protestant came from feeling guilty that I had been lazy for years in my study of His word, and I had guilt and self hatred for not being the man today that I could have been had I given it 150%. It took me a long time to realize that I couldn't edit my past and feeling guilt over that was not fruitful for effectiveness today. Rather, my pastor, encouraged me to take this very moment captive and choose to do what's best this very second. I can't read the entirety of Gods word in 5 minutes, I can't spiritually discern the doctrines of God intellectually and effectively immediately without meditation, and I can't do all this while witnessing to my neighbors of the grace Jesus provides to them knowing that they might die tomorrow without Him. There are seasons for all things. This might be a season of toiling in the world for Jesus for you where you can't live the quoet life you desire, however that might be the next season whoch God will use effectively to build you in prayer. Bless you brother.

Thanks brother. I will reflect on your words. Seasons in which we focus on one attribute of God or one aspect of his calling on our lives, rather than trying to do it all every day, that resonates. You rightly guessed I'm floating in the protestant tide. While rejecting catholicism I am often intrigued by orthodoxy.