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Anybody who is certain of what the future will look like is lying to themselves and others.

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Although, there are future predictions I *completely* discount. Such as the belief that once most people understand bitcoin, they will embrace self-sovereign values and en masse dispense with the nation state. I consider this complete fantasy. A global thermonuclear war ending human civilization outright is a million times more likely than that outcome.

I think you may discount a complete change in societal incentives bit too much.

“Show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome.” - A Guy that Hates Bitcoin

Anybody who thinks bitcoin will tend people towards adopting libertarian and anarchist values due to economic incentives misunderstands human nature.

These group names are what we’ll run away from.

Individualism as a foundation and customized values.

A spectrum.

I also believe a lot of people confuse individualism (which I subscribe to) with egoism (which I don't). Classical liberalism is an individualist philosophy, in that it emphasizes the importance of individual rights as the basis for organizing society.

The idea that states and governments are unreconcilable with individual rights, which is argued by anarcho-capitalists, is a bizarre post-war / anti-communist reactionary philosophy that is egoist at its core.

I like the spectrum model because we get to choose.

Everyone gets to choose, customize more aspects of their life.

As of now it’s hard to customize features of life.

Why is that?

I have a take

Some people are going to lead and some people are going to follow, as has always been the case. Mimetic desire won’t disappear.

The failure of modern liberal society boils down to the fiction that equality (in outcome) is a thing, much less a thing that should be desired. Self sovereign incentives do away with that fantasy.

When risk and reward and work and wage recalibrate, we’re back in business.

Participation trophy era over. The window has closed.

Go for gold 🥇

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It’s directional. Given enough time, states/governments erode individual freedom.

Name one state which evolved positively wrt individual freedom without revolution.

No, USA is not one. It forked off because of a 3% tax and reinstated all of the same and much much worse in the time since.

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They are directionally unreconcilable. Inherently corrupting. Unavoidably at odds.

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It’s remarkable how similar the fall of the US/EU is to the fall of the USSR. We just have nicer toys thanks to the prior functioning economic model.

Perhaps so, but todays society has zero incentives toward self sovereign values, and a world where bitcoin is money has many. That is a vastly different world not seen in a very long time, especially not with modern tech. A bright orange future, one might say.

Every human society in the history of forever has developed social hierarchy. Liberal democracy is the best we've come up with to balance the interests of the individual with our tendency to create hierarchal power structures. Public key cryptography is not going to breed this out of our DNA.

Agree that incentives toward self sovereign values will not destroy social hierarchy. In fact it will probably make the hierarchies even more overt. After all, we are all in charge of our own decisions and our own consequences and we each bear the burden of proof of work in our own lives. Respect of that work will flourish, and so will the hierarchies that respect creates.

At least we’ll have fathers at the head of their household again

I am not confused as to the fact that yes, a lot of people who subscribe to these political views have a culturally conservative agenda.

Seems that way for sure

Part of why I left these politics behind fifteen years ago.

thanks for the convo gents 🍻 hitting the hay 😴